Talk:Sidney Crosby/Archive 1

"He is best known for scoring a lacrosse-style goal that was first performed by the University of Michigan's Mike Legg in 1997 against University of Minnesota goalie Steve Debus."
 * ...I dont think he is best know for that. He is best known for being one of the best young hockey players in a long time. I think don't think many people would even think of that play unless it was mentioned
 * I agree. I know exactly the play he means, but I haven't thought about it.Sportyguy03 19:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I think categories like and  need to be more specific, before they are created.

A few things...

The word choice describing the 'Hot Dog' is awkward to the point where it doesn't really make sense. Also, the 4-0 score was prior to the lacrosse goal (Rimouski's 5th) - but it leads one to believe that 4-0 was the final score.

"He was criticized, most notably by famed hockey analyst Don Cherry, for doing a "Hot Dog", a lacrosse-style goal in which a player scoops the puck onto his stick and carries it flat on his stick before placing it in the net, in a 4-0 blowout game against a beaten Quebec team. "

The move itself is not called a Hot Dog. Don Cherry criticized him for being a Hot Dog (term used to describe a 'show off'). I suggest a revision along the lines of;

"He was criticized, most notably by famed hockey analyst Don Cherry, who accused him of showboating. Crosby used his stick to scoop the puck and carried it flat on his blade, lacrosse-style, before placing it in the net near the end of a 7-1 blowout game against the Quebec Remparts. Cherry called Crosby a "Hot Dog" and is often critical of showboating and scoring needless late goals with the intent of embarrassing the opposition. "

Also, there should be a better piece about the stolen jersey. It was stolen at a Montreal airport and eventually recovered and returned to Crosby.

Finally, Crosby's hometown is Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia - yet Cole Harbour is not mentioned at all in the article.

Quit deleting his info
I ask that people quit changing his player info box. HE WAS 193 POUNDS but he is now 200 pounds from working out leave it as 200 please and thank you. It even says he is on NHL.com now leave it alone.

Crosby Fan Club
This article is so incredibly pro-Crosby! I've gone through and tried to tone down the pro-Crosby POV (which is hard, given that this guy is amazing). For example, most analysts believe he will not make the Olympic team, given Canada's insane depth, and I've also rephrased the "next one" paragraph.-- Scïmïłar parley 16:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

C'mon People
C'mon People, do we really need to document everytime this guy has a good game? Not only does this make this article completely weighted to the recent events of Crosby, but it also is an example of why Wikipedia is unable to be a credited source. Why don't we stop with this constant Crosby attention, and focus on other hockey aspects of Wikipedia. How about improving the Tony Twist article? Hmmm..? Anybody? Why do I hear nothing but silence? Croat Canuck 05:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Ditto, do we really need to know he scored a shootour winner versus the Habs? Or the winning goal after being clipped in the face? --FrankCostanza 20:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Or do we really need to know he had an 85% average in grade 11? How does anyone even know that? I'd like to add Crosby was given an 'A' by Michel Therien, but this needs major fixing before even minor additions. Bigdottawa 18:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I decided to be WP:BOLD and removed a lot of the game-by-game commentary. I left in the trivia for now, but that needs to be fixed too. --Deathphoenix 17:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Criticism of Sidney Crosby being made Alternate Captain
I've restored the comment that an anon removed here. I don't know what it's like in Pittsburgh, but there's been a fair bit of criticism of his being made an Alternate Captain. Please let me know if you agree or not with this statement. --Deathphoenix 04:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you, there has been some criticism regarding it, the most notable I've heard is Don Cherry criticizing it. Croat Canuck 05:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't really agree since nothing Don Cherry says is worth noting anywhere. :) Bigdottawa 13:26, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I take it your a Sens fan, how can you say that about Cherry? He threw you guys a bone with his pre-season predictions. Spezza for Art Ross, they'll win the Cup etc... I agree he does make some bad comments, but he also makes some bang-on ones as well. Croat Canuck 21:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Has nothing do to with being a Sens fan. Don Cherry is just a dinosaur, and has had very little say for the past 5 years. He's the only one I know who voiced any sort of criticism about Crosby getting the A. He's already voiced strong opinions against things Crosby has done, so he shouldn't be taken very seriously on this either. Bigdottawa 06:34, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * On Don Cherry, I'd agree. He's had nothing but criticism for Crosby and this apparently dates back to his (Crosby's) hot-dogging after a lacrosse goal (?), so any criticism he offers can be taken with a grain of salt. However, I've heard/seen a few other personalities criticise the appointment of Crosby, maybe not with the national exposure that Cherry has, but they're certainly enough to make it notable. --Deathphoenix 06:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I haven't heard any criticism of the appointment and I live right outside of Pittsburgh.


 * Maybe I should explain my comment. I mean I don't know what the criticism is like in Pittsburgh, but up here in Toronto (and, thanks to TV and the Internet, Canada in general), I've heard a fair bit of criticism. From your statement, I guess it's clear that they're not critical of this appointment in Pittsburgh. :-) --Deathphoenix 16:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Numerous diving attempts?
He's only been penalized for diving once. Saying 'numerous diving attempts' is very debatable, while many agree that he dives, many disagree.
 * I got rid of some of the details here. --Deathphoenix 01:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Fighting back tears
I feel the comment directed towards him fighting back tears has no bearing on this article. A lot of younger people come to this page for inspiration, and if shown you are liable to be "made fun of" for crying, then this article has not fully succeeded. Also, if left, somthing to the extent of explaining sentimental values of things like that may be in order, possibly in an a linked area.
 * First, I don't really know if him fighting back tears is true (I never saw the actual broadcast). However, I'd like to point out that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a place to get inspiration, and there is no such thing as "succeeding" in doing anything but provide an encyclopedia. If people are coming to this article to get inspired, they are coming to the wrong place and should go elsewhere. That being said, your opinion of article content is certainly a valid one and can be acted upon, or you may edit the article yourself. I just want to point out that the purpose of this article is not to provide inspiration to a lot of younger people: it is to provide information about Sidney Crosby. That's it. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I previously edited this part of the article, but on second glace, decided it may be beneficial for me to re word it.

"The jersey of a high calibre event can be considered sentimental, and Crosby was reported as being highly emotional. This can be related to numerous events, and is commonly understood as a piece of his hockey history." --User:Sod aries--

Birthplace
There seems to be a conflict regarding his birthplace. The official NHL and NHLPA websites don't even say the same place. NorthernThunder 07:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Crosby's official website lists his birthplace as "Halifax". As a Google Local search shows no (human) hospitals in Cole Harbour and several in the Dartmouth section of Halifax, it seems likely that he wasn't born in Cole Harbour. Geoffspear 20:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

he was born in cole harbour/darmouth. i would know he lives on my street ahah DarkstalkerM

Nicknames
Since when was he called 'Darryl'? That seems odd, and I'm going to remove it unless someone has evidence of his being named that. Kaiser matias 05:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since his first exhibition game in junior hockey. It's mentioned in the actual text (which you didn't change), with a footnote pointing to an article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, a reliable source.  It seems odd that you'd choose to remove one of the very few things in this article that has any sourcing whatsoever; you'd be far more justified to delete the rest of the article and leave that there. Geoffrey Spear 12:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

As can be seen in numerous photos, the name "DARRYL" has been stitched into the cuff of his gloves while playing for both Rimouski (QMJHL) and Pittsburgh (NHL).

The nickname "Darryl" was given to Crosby by Mark Tobin, a former Rimouski teammate. The nickname refers to Darryl Sittler, who had a 10 point game (6 goals, 4 assists)back in 1976.


 * maybe it should be added to the trivia page so people know why. just a thought

Hat Trick
I believe that Crosby has gotten his first career Hat Trick in the NHL. Scored his third of the game in the first 8 minutes of the second period. Do I hear an encore?

Some things missing
For one, there should be mention that Crosby is one of the flew English-Canadian hockey stars who is also fluent in French. In fact I saw a piece about that in the paper, the commentator saying that Crosby is poised to be more popular than Gretzky and Lemieux because unlike them is he is bilingual (Mario learned Enlgish later on, Gretz still can't speak French). Also the the issue of salary. Are there any sources on what Crosby makes? Kevlar67 01:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The claim that he's one of the few English-Canadians who is fluent in French isn't that big of a deal. In fact, several players speak 3+ languages (Saku Koivu comes to mind). I've never heard of it affecting Crosby's popularity- do you have any sources? We can't really include it if he's "poised" to be popular because that's essentially meaningless and very difficult to measure.
 * As for salary: I've never seen it included in an article, but if you're curious, it's at TSN.ca http://tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10030&hubname= --Wafulz 03:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wayne Gretzky's opinion
I feel like WG's opinion of Crosby, which has been widely publicized as extremely positive, possibly even considered favoritism, should be included. As one of the most prominent figures in hockey (and sports), WG has on numerous occasions stated that Crosby may be the next one. There is a really good article found here which may be used as a reliable source for such info. What are other people's opinion on the subject? Dashboardy 15:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's already in the article
 * During his amateur years, Crosby caught the attention of several journalists and other players, including Wayne Gretzky himself. When Gretzky was asked if he thought anyone could break his records, he answered that Sidney Crosby could, and added that Crosby was the best player he had seen since Mario Lemieux. --Wafulz 19:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Broken Foot
Crosby suffered a broken foot during a game against MTL on March 16, 2007. He continued to play during the regular season and throughout the playoffs. Should this be included in the main article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.236.200 (talk) 20:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Leading the NHL in points in 2006-07
The article initially read "After that game, he led the NHL in scoring, in doing so becoming the first teenager to lead the NHL in points since Wayne Gretzky in 1980" (or something to that effect). I added that he did not relinquish the pints lead after that...thought this was notable —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.100.202.155 (talk) 14:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

Bio Update
I went through and fixed his playing career. A lot of the information was documentations of good games. I left the important games in, but tied them in to why it was important (i.e. taking control of the points race). Some information in his career was also listed in his records section, so I got rid of them. Let me know if that's OK. This was my first major edit to a Wikipedia entry. Jhuerbin88 19:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Whiner Criticism
According to a recent Hockey News article, Stephen Walkom, the NHL director of officiating, came out and said that his referees told him Crosby does not whine like many people think he does. If anyone can find a source for this information, it might be worth adding to the Criticism section of the article. Fleagle 21:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thats kinda weird, I see him in the refs ear 90% of the game. Killswitch Engage 04:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Youngest NHL captain?
Not quite. Brian Bellows was the youngest, Bellows was appointed 'interim' captain of the Minnesota North Stars for the later-half of the 1983-84 season (during Captain Craig Hartsburg's abscenc through injry). Wikipedia, lists 'interim' as captains (see 30 NHL team pages). GoodDay 19:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what Wikipedia lists captains as- the NHL says Crosby is the youngest, and at the end of the day, the NHL has authority over definitions of NHL records.--Wafulz 02:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The NHL has also listed Brian Bellows as having served (though interimly) as the Minnesota North Stars captain. We should at least list Crosby as the youngest 'full-time' captain. GoodDay 16:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bellows is mentioned (later) in the article, pointing out his younger 'interim captaincy'. I'm content with that. GoodDay 16:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * So much for the Bellows note, someone arbitrarly edit it out. GoodDay 18:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I re-added the note. We shouldn't hand him record he doesn't entirely have. Killswitch Engage 06:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * He actually has the record, and it is 100% his and 100% official. The note should exist to point out that Burrows was designated an interim who would give up his C as soon as the captain returned, so the record is not technically his.-Wafulz 13:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

First Teenage Scoring Champ?
"he became the youngest player and the only teenager ever to win a scoring title in any major North American sports league" Is this right? I know that this fact comes straight from NHL.com, but I believe Gretzky shared the scoring championship with Marcel Dionne when he was 19 (1979-1980). At the time, Gretzky was younger than Crosby is now. -Mark 65.197.19.242 17:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Gretzky didn't share it- he actually lost it because Dionne had one more goal. So Crosby wins this round on a technicality.--Wafulz 18:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, Dionne had two more goals (53 to 51). GoodDay 19:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)