Talk:Siege of Antioch

Suggestion for the "The Siege of Antioch 1907-98"
Bullshit, the name of article "Siege of Antioch" alone is what I call bullshit. I would dare to suggest an article name of "The Siege of Antioch 1907-98" into the battle box, Certainly, before the first crusade, the Sassanians or Sassanids sacked the city of Antioch for 6 times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MadeByGod (talk • contribs) 01:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it probably should be moved, it just happened to be created before the articles about the other sieges. It's not "bullshit". Adam Bishop (talk) 02:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Titles, Merging, and Summary style
Why does Siege of Antioch (1268) get parentheses in its name, but not this article? --Smack (talk) 05:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Popularity. --Stbalbach 06:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * And it was written first. It might be better to set it up like Siege of Jerusalem, since 1097-98 and 1268 aren't the only sieges (at least I imagine they aren't...it's a very old city). Adam Bishop 06:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it might be better to build a Summary style page with all the battles and sieges (maybe as "Battles of Antioch on the Orontes" to follow the usual title form), with each detail article using "(date)". Easy to handle!  And Battle of Antioch could easily be merged.
 * --William Allen Simpson 14:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Additional info
In the battle to break the second siege, the seventh rushed detachment was lead by "Rinaldo di Toul" according to an italian source. The name should be translated as "Rainald of Toul". I've been unable to find a reliable Italian to english translation of the name, else the information could be added in the main article.--Worthstream 16:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

GA review

 * The lead section just barely qualifies for GA status.
 * It would be a plus if the paragraph starting with The success at Antioch was too much for Peter's skeptics. ... be footnoted in order to better see where it is from since no references were added to further ascertain the fact. Lincher 14:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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Reasons for GA Delisting
This article's GA status has been revoked because it fails criterion 2. b. of 'What is a Good Article?', which states;


 * (b) the citation of its sources using inline citations is required (this criterion is disputed by editors on Physics and Mathematics pages who have proposed a subject-specific guideline on citation, as well as some other editors &mdash; see talk page).

LuciferMorgan 08:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation page
What happened to the disambig page? Antioch was besieged in 1084. Tourskin 02:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Strength
Battle by R.G. Grant gives 25,000 Crusaders and 75,000 Seljuks & allies. Tourskin 21:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

25000 crusaders capture a city defended by 75000 men, that is just not seem true(did crusaders have tanks)+christian favoured+biased. in capture of constantinople by the turks, city is defended by 7000 men against 100000(to 200000) and they hardly captured- according to wikipedia. i think wiki is becoming unrelieble and a biased platform, that favours western-christian side and skips muslim point of view, not consider eastern sources as relieable. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.179.138.191 (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Crusaders had 25,000 men that is true but defending forces maybe 6-7,000 and almost all of them were city militias, there were a few mamluks.

Wiki is biased because i can't even read massacre happened in Antioch. They slaughtered almost every Muslims, even some Eastern Christian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.190.160.149 (talk) 10:07, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I think you are just biased against the Christian forces, who here won a substantial victory against great odds. I'd like to see you cite one source that backs the figure you have given for the number of defenders, 6-7,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.142.185.29 (talk) 21:43, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Ygo III Galama
I've added this man, who was a fearsome warrior and mighty count. He died at this battle, and although he was not high in rank, he was allready famous before joining the crusade. -)-(-H- (&#124;-&#124;) -O-)-(- 18:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He is suspected as a hoax. Srnec 19:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Spoken Wikipedia
Well, after a few days of working on the file and a few months of procrastinating in uploading it, I finally got it up. Any criticism would be helpful (especially if you notice a pronunciation error. I'm sure there's a few in there.) PhoenixOwl (talk) 22:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Strange claim
"Though Antioch changed hands twice between then and the arrival of the crusaders in 1097, "

So, the Byzantines held Antioch in the 6th century. The Muslims held it at the time of the Crusaders' arrival in 1097. How could it have changed hands twice, in between ?? Surely, it would have to have changed hands once,  or three times,  not twice ?Lathamibird (talk) 06:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * From the Antioch article: 637 - Rashidun Caliphate. 969 - Byzantine empire. 1078 - Armenian rebels. 1084 - Seljuk Turks. Three times? AnonNep (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

this article needs more references
There are a few scattered paragraphs that have no references at all, or are in need of more. Specifically, in the following sections: — howcheng  {chat} 07:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Background (1st and 3rd paragraphs)
 * Fatimid embassy
 * Capture of Antioch (1st para)
 * Discovery of the Holy Lance (2nd para)
 * Battle of Antioch
 * Aftermath (1st para)