Talk:Siege of Dubrovnik

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POV
The article seems to be written just from the Croation POV. e.g. there are claims by reporters and witnesses from inside Dubrovnik that the shelling wasn't intense and the historic part of the City wasn't destroyed to the extend as the Croats claimed. And it is claimed that the Croation troops fired from hospitals and hotels to draw Serbian counter fire which could than be used for their Media campaign. --Wikieditoroftoday (talk) 23:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As I explained in the edit description, the article could certainly use more sources and a neutrality check. However, adding a Serbian-produced video is certainly not a positive way to go. Speaking of "claims by some or other" is not really a reputable source. All sources named in the article so far are either from an impartial source (ICTY or foreign news agencies) or are positively discriminating (i.e. Serbian/Montenegrian source that talks about their attacks negatively). Only 3 of the 15 sources are Croatian (and another 3 are Serb/MN), so it can hardly be considered a one-sided article... Again, sources and constructive edits are welcome. The Spanish Inquisitor (talk) 14:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I will leave this here: https://twitter.com/undertakersu/status/1306338430369095680 The shelling was of the Croatian terrorist positions within the city. Now we can talk about POV of this article which is clearly strongly biased, and uses biased sources Pixius talk 13:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * What a comment by Wikieditoroftoday! Any normal person would say that even one bullet in a civilian area would be one bullet too many. There was no military value to be gained by the Serbs and Montenegrins in destroying a civilian UNESCO heritage-listed area - it was just gratuitous and wanton. So any comments about the intensity of the shelling miss the point. The point being: Any shelling was wrong and criminal in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.149.192.132 (talk) 05:47, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Can you please write something more about the battle of the village Ravno ... What happened there i would like to know this if I`m an outstanding reader of this article and also I personally would like to know what happened there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.152.254.254 (talk) 01:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Another hopelessly lop-sided view of the conflict in the former Yugoslavia. To give a simple example in the first line of the article, the author(s) claim that Serbs euphemistically label this phase of the war the 'blockage of Dubrovnik'. In fact, this is a label that can also be attributed to many Croatian media (http://www.domovinskirat.hr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=588:operacija-qajkulaq-blokada-dubrovnika-&catid=106:vojne-operacije-agresora-&Itemid=121).
 * Just take a look at the Serbian version of this article. It is just called "The blockade of Dubrovnik", while every other version calls it by its name, aka "Siege (or battle) of Dubrovnik". There was a bloackade of the city...but it certainly didn't stop just at that.--Justice and Arbitration (talk) 07:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

2 Issues
1. From What i've heard the forces attacking Dubronovik were mostly Montenegrin rather then Serb, and the JNA contained many Croat and Muslim fighters

2. A Ceasefire was called, that doesnt make it a Croatian Victory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by King Of The Moas (talk • contribs) 07:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * True, the Montenegrin remnant of the Yugoslav People's Army was mostly involved in the Dubrovnik area, but it was subordinated to Belgrade. Momir Bulatovic was Milosevic's stooge for most of his term, until he later on actually showed some backbone and expressed his opposition of continuing the siege of Dubrovnik in 1992. Likewise, 70 percent of all JNA officers and non-commissioned officers were either Serbs or Montenegrins. After Croatia and Slovenia declared independence, Bosniaks, Croats, Slovenes and even Macedonians massively left the army.


 * As for the issue of victory, let's examine what happened.


 * 1) Dubrovnik was never conquered
 * 2) Dubrovnik remained a part of Croatia
 * 3) Plans to create some new Serbian "Dubrovnik Republic" failed
 * 4) Croatian Army advanced steadily from the west and forced the Yugoslav Army to pull out of the area
 * 5) Further joint operations pushed the army deep behind Trebinje, which caused difficulties to attack Dubrovnik in the future


 * If that can not be considered victory, what can?--Justice and Arbitration (talk) 13:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

That's just arbitrary bullshit, JNA pulled back because of international pressure, and that in the end Croatia managed to exterminate its Serb population that it started in ww2 with concentration camps, has nothing to do with actual battle.

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