Talk:Siege of Inabayama Castle

Question
Shouldn't this article have been named "Battle of Inabayama Castle"? I don't have the print Cambridge v.4 at home to check, or the references listed at: Siege of Inabayama Castle, but the Japanese reads "Inabayama Castle".Prburley (talk) 10:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sort of thinking the same thing. If User: Muneshige doesn't respond, I might move the article to the new title later this afternoon. Boneyard90 (talk) 17:52, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to belabor this but, should these battles, which are often (and maybe more accurately--but that's a debate elsewhere) called "Siege of..." get a redirect from "Siege of..." whatever? Not sure how to do the redirect thing. Thanks for expanding this. The images really rock! Prburley (talk) 18:49, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem on the belaboration. I can make a re-direct if you like. As you can see by the Japanese title, it translates to "Battle", but more importantly, I'm not sure it counts as a "siege". I know "siege" is written in the lead, but I've actually been thinking about it even before I saw your question, and I'm thinking I may remove it. I'll have to look for definitions. It was a one-day battle, so it's not what you'd call "protracted". Nobunaga showed up, made some noise and kept their attention to the front while Hideyoshi did his commando raid. So I'll look for definition and see if it even counts as a siege or if it's called such in any sources. Thoughts? Boneyard90 (talk) 21:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As can now be seen, I changed the title to Battle of... I chose this title for two reasons: it's the best translation of the Japanese title, and on a Google search, "Battle of" gets quite a few more results than "Siege of", even though about 90% of both look to be related to video games. If anyone knows of a good reason to call it "Siege of", I'm open to moving it.Boneyard90 (talk) 12:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OED. Battle: "A hostile engagement or encounter between opposing forces on land or sea; a combat, a fight."
 * OED: Siege: "II a. The action, on the part of an army, of investing a town, castle, etc., in order to cut off all outside communication and in the end to reduce or take it...
 * e-プログレッシブ英和中辞. Battle: 戦い，戦闘，交戦，会戦.
 * ランダムハウス英和大辞典. Battle: 戦い，戦争，戦闘；交戦
 * e-プログレッシブ英和中辞典. Siege: （城塞(じょうさい)などの）包囲攻撃；包囲［攻囲］期間
 * ランダムハウス英和大辞典. Siege: (都市・城塞(じょうさい)などの)包囲攻撃，攻囲，攻城 [...] siege は都市を取り囲み，その交通・通信を遮断することを意味し，通例，その防御施設を直接攻撃することを含む. Prburley (talk) 13:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll agree with you. "Battle" is better, if kind of grandiose, for Inabayama vs. say, the Siege of Osaka, which was clearly a siege. Prburley (talk) 13:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How about "storming"... In terms of the suggestion re checking Cambridge v.4, this is discussed on p40f, but v. briefly: 'with their [the Saitō of Mino] eventual defeat in 1567 he [Nobunaga] took control of Mino and the balance of Owari and moved his headquarters to Gifu Castle. From this time he began to use the seal inscribed with the slogan "the realm subjected to military power" (tenka fubu), showing his intention to unite all of Japan by military power.' Otherwise this book says (p27f) that local Gifu historian Matsuda Ryō in this book 'has convincingly argued that Nobunaga first captured Mount Inaba in 1564, lost it again to Tatsuoki in 1565, and finally took possession of the castle in June 1567 (Eiroku 10, Fifth Month)'. There's also a pointer to Frois Historia II.241. Not sure how this helps though, because it doesn't say "siege" or "battle", Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:40, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Now here's recognition, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:10, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that. That's some impressive speed of translation. The translator even decided to keep the images in the same layout, how cool is that?
 * On your earlier suggestion, about GAN: I might wait until summer to try that. I'm a bit swamped at the moment.Boneyard90 (talk) 11:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Siege of Inabayama Castle
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Siege of Inabayama Castle's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Turnbull2": From Oda Nobuhide:  From Siege of Terabe:  From Battle of Anegawa:  From Oda Nobunaga:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)