Talk:Siege of Kazan

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. (By the way, it's completely okay to say "agree" instead of "support". Contrary to popular belief, these discussions are closed by human editors, not monkeys with typewriters.) Jafeluv (talk) 09:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Siege of Kazan (1552) → Siege of Kazan – Already redirects here, appears to be only siege of Kazan there is. PatGallacher (talk) 20:42, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. [Edit: I mean Support.] I've just done a Google Books search and this does appear to be the only noteworthy siege of the city. Languagehat (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Support - the only potential confusion is with various battles of Kazan but these are adequately covered by a hatnote. Green Giant (talk) 00:30, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, technically Kazan was also besieged in 1774 during the Pugachev's Rebellion, but that was a part of a larger battle which we cover in Battle of Kazan (1774), and a simple hatnote takes care of a potential confusion just fine. Support.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 15, 2013; 13:32 (UTC)
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Why was the editing canceled with the renaming of Russia to Muscovy?
What are the grounds for calling it the Russo-Kazan war, if in those time Russia itself names as Moscovian state, and was renamed only in 1721? @Mellk please explain your biased and ideological cancellation? Even in the Constantinople Peace Treaty of 1700, in the Slavic language, the people of modern Russia call themselves Moscow people(народ московский), and the state "Moscow State" (Московское государство)? Bodia1406 (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Because this is what the sources say, including in this article. Your original research and fringe theories do not belong here. Mellk (talk) 22:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Show me the original document from the time when modern Russia is called the Russian state? Because even in Russian wikisources I see a document from 1700, where this people call themselves the "Moscow State".
 * https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80_(1700)￼ Bodia1406 (talk) 22:54, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NOR. Mellk (talk) 22:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also please refer to WP:HOUNDING. Mellk (talk) 22:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly, that what are you doing against me. WP:HOUNDING Bodia1406 (talk) 22:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What you are doing right now is borderline harassment. Mellk (talk) 23:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Let's discuss the feasibility of adding a campaign box
I see in activity, that one user added this box, but another just deleted it. Let's discus do we need it or not.

Bodia1406 (talk) 00:39, 3 April 2023 (UTC)