Talk:Siege of Mariupol

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 August 2023
Add Adam Delimkhanov as a commander for the Russian side. Commanderconflict (talk) 19:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


 * There is a single passing mention of him in the body of the article. How does that mention evidence that he was a key or significant commander per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE and the template documentation? Cinderella157 (talk) 23:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Ivantsov
I see his story got some decent coverage [https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/articles/c72ynw349nmo "Краще смерть, ніж полон". Історія втечі українського військового з "Азовсталі" - BBC News Україна] Ukrainian soldier survives hell of Azovstal and walks to freedom (euromaidanpress.com) ManyAreasExpert (talk) 23:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:NOTNEWS. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 February 2024
Russian commanders and leaders - Vladimir Frolov needs to be added (source (in Russian): https://web.archive.org/web/20220616215054/https://www.infobae.com/ru/2022/04/16/ukraine-killed-russian-general-vladimir-frolov-who-commanded-the-offensive-in-mariupol/) MylowattsIAm (talk) 16:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

❌ Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE the infobox is to summarise key facts from the article. This addition is not supported by the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * What is this supposed to mean? I simply said that Frolov should get added in the commanders and leaders section underneath Mishustin. The article would simply get used as a reference that he was indeed a commander and isn't added out of thin air. That would in no way make the infobox no longer summarize key facts from the article. The addition is supported by the article as it clearly states that he commanded the troops during the siege. MylowattsIAm (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Where in the article does it tell us who Frolov is and what they did of significance that would lead to their being placed in the infobox. There is nothing in the article to tell us this. Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the infobox summarises key facts from the article. If he ain't there, he can't be a key fact from the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit request: BBC article says 25,000 people not civilians

 * What I think should be changed (format using textdiff):

also please change it in the infobox. The linked BBC article says:
 * Why it should be changed:

> Ukrainian officials now believe that at least 25,000 people were killed in the fighting in Mariupol, and that 5,000-7,000 of them died under the rubble after their homes were bombed. Mariupol had a pre-war population of nearly 500,000.

It does not say civilians. Alternatively, do not change it but add a citation needed tag or verification failed tag.


 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Bowad91017 (talk) 14:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I found an Al Jazzeera article that says 25,000 civilians. There is no need to change it to people, just add the Al Jazeera article as a source. ‘I had no idea I’d never go back’: Mariupol survivors, a year on | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera Bowad91017 (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅ I added the new source in all 3 places where the BBC article is referenced, thanks. Jamedeus (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)