Talk:Siege of Szigetvár/Archive 2

One editor approves and another editor deletes
I added a quotes by Historian Richard Davenport, from a book published in 1840.

I also added a superior quote about Zrinski's speech at the end of the siege. The quote was based on a book by Samuel Budinam, who translated the work of Ferenc Crnko, written in 1568, and also work by the great Hungarian historian Miklos Istvanffy written in 1685.

The quote was originally deleted by Siroxo  &  83.131.65.132, then he stated that he made a mistake and put it back. Then Miki Filigranski  deletes it again because this PRIMARY source is "outdated". When do old primary sources become "outdated"?

The strangest aspect of Miki Filigranski 's deletion is that the quote I provided was referenced to credible sources but he leaves an "Internet quote" that has no references as if it is credible.

If you do even a modicum of research you will see that though the quote is all over the Internet, there is no CREDIBLE source for it. The quote in question is:

''...Let us go out from this burning place into the open and stand up to our enemies. Who dies – he will be with God. Who dies not – his name will be honoured. I will go first, and what I do, you do. And God is my witness – I will never leave you, my brothers and knights!...''

Note that [7], which references a book by Shelton, does not provide a source for the quote.

So why is that poor quality quote with not credible source presented?

Also, why did  Miki Filigranski ' delete 34 books that I posted in "Further Reading"?

This is quite absurd.

NikolaZrinski (talk) 22:09, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I am starting to wonder if I am the target of "Editor harassment". NikolaZrinski (talk) 22:11, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Please note that my two edits on this page, a mistaken revert followed by a self revert, ultimately effected zero change to the content. I have no other input into this content discussion. I believe the anon IP editor has also explained this in an above discussion. I don't believe there is further need to involve me in any discussion on this topic. &mdash;siro&chi;o 22:15, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I was not accusing you of anything.
 * I was merely referencing what had happened previously and thus illustrating the inconsistencies between editors, and the confusing deletion by  Miki Filigranski .  His involvement is strange since 1. he is not Croatian and 2. from the work that he has done on the article he does not appear to be a subject matter expert on Nikola IV Zrinski of the siege.  He has contributed little of interest to the article. NikolaZrinski (talk) 22:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Name: Nicholas VII of Zrin
The name "Nicholas VII of Zrin " is odd. It should be either Nikola VII Zrinski (Croatian) or Miklós Zrínyi (Hungarian). Since he is of a Croatian family (ethnicity), even though he lived in Hungary, using the Croatian variant is more logical. NikolaZrinski (talk) 00:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)