Talk:Sigma Kappa/Archive 1

Ida Fuller Pierce
Ida Fuller and Ida Fuller Pierce are as far as I can tell the same person. Therefore Ida Fuller (the first person to receive a social security check) is not the same as Ida Fuller Pierce (one of the founders of Sigma Kappa).

According to the ΣΚ page Ida Fuller Pierce died in 1933.  According to the social security history page Ida Fuller filed her retirement claim on November 4, 1939 I will fix the page to reflect this information. --ImmortalGoddezz 17:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps to clear up confusion use what the Promise book uses, "Ida Mabel Fuller." --Amandapb 03:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Notable Sigma Kappas
Please refrain from adding wiki people who are red linked. Quite easily the whole section could be scrapped by somebody if they don't feel that it is worth anything to wikipedia since wikipedia is NOT Directories, directory entries, TV/Radio Guides, or a resource for conducting business and it is also not Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional) and the whole section could very easily qualify as listscruft. Also it reflects poorly on Sigma Kappa to have people listed as notable who do not have wikipages of their own.

Additionally before adding something make sure it's verifiable, correct, and the information is from a reliable source. For example somebody keeps adding *Linda Cross Dowdy (Epsilon Epsilon) - managing editor for The Lyons Group and is the creator and owner of Barney, the purple dinosaur featured on the children's show on PBS. Neither Linda Dowdy nor Linda Cross is on wikipedia, but when doing a Google search on her she's is also not the creator or owner of Barney, the purple dinosaur. According to the Sigma Kappa notable website Linda Cross Dowdy is ''managing editor for The Lyons Group, the creator and owner of Barney, the popular purple dinosaur featured on PBS. She has authored the best-selling children's book, Barney Goes to the Zoo and has been instrumental in the development of 25 Barney book titles published by The Lyons Group's Barney Publishing division'', and not the actual creator or owner of Barney. Quite frankly I wouldn't add something to wikipedia that I just found off of a sorority web page either without citation from other sources to back it up. So point #1 please refrain from adding red linked notable Sigma Kappa, that's why the 'go here for other alumnae' link was added. #2 make sure what you add is verifiable and can be cited (WP:RS, WP:V) Thanks. --ImmortalGoddezz 16:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think someone was just "copying off a sorority web page" - the first time (and actually up until now)I have taken the paragraph from the SK site and the Promise book to mean that SHE created Barney. It's an awkwardly worded sentence, but nothing to get all wound up about. I also disagree that it "reflects poorly" on our sorority to have notable people without their own wikipages. I mean, I understand what you're getting at, but I highly doubt anyone is going to look and say, "Look, Sigma Kappa has red linked famous alumnae. They are obviously not a very good organization!" Obviously there's no point to create a link to no where, but "reflects poorly" ? Come on, it's a wikipedia entry - it's not like people are posting pictures of themselves drinking in letters.

--Amandapb 03:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I just noticed this reply. I never said they were copying off the website. What I am getting at is there has been considerable discussion about removing famous alumnae sections all together... There is no reason to have a great big list full of people who do not have wiki articles when they can just go to the link provided and read more about them there. This list pushes wikipedia guidelines and can be easily deleted citing anything on WP:NOT. When deleting the red links there's less reason given for deletion of that particular section. As for the "nobody's going to look and see?" That's right they haven't said it's a very good organization but there have been instances where people have deleted the famous alumnae/alumni sections due to the fact that it's over red linked, and as a list doesn't really belong on wikipedia. (WP:NOT Wikipedia is not a directory, it is not the white pages, it is not a repository of links (internal or external) etc.) Which is why I continue to remove the red linked people. And finally wikipedia is not a rush brochure I know you're proud of your sorority but that doesn't mean that every person that can be considered famous needs to be put in this list. Thanks. --ImmortalGoddezz 18:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Immortal, please give me a few minutes to finish editing the page before you revert it. I plan on hidding the non linking text and finding a better reference than imdb when I get home and can do so. Thank you.Airpear 15:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Though I should mention that I just looked last night, again, for a reference for Melinda Ward and Sigma Kappa since I'm putting together this list and have found none that are Reliable or Verifiable.


 * Question, why have non-linking text on there? I assume you mean people that don't have a wikipedia article? What's the point as of right now? I ask in actual curiosity, not condescending. I personally think that they're best left off the main page or on the talk page. Worse comes to worse, like I've done with a lot of the NPC articles add a link to the top saying 'click here for more notable alumni' that way all of those red links don't show up. --ImmortalGoddezz 15:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I plan on adding pages for those who deserve them and adding linking text to those who do not. One such example is Ashley Huff. Although she does not merit a wikipedia page I believe she deserves an external link. I am mostly editing this page for my wife and focus most of my attention on the Lambda Chi Alpha page.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Airpear (talk • contribs).


 * That's fine but please refrain from adding people to the visible list who do not specifically have wikipedia pages there's no need to have somebody on the list that doesn't have a page. Also I'm going to alphabetize the list again and format it like most of the other NPC sororities are. Eg: *name (chapter) - accomplishmentreference


 * Additionally I noticed that you've copied every reference to the end of the alumnae. That's not necessary. For example this is the reference used on the notables: You do not have to put that after each one, just the initial reference. To use the same reference over again all you need to put is which tells it to copy the first reference. --ImmortalGoddezz 04:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help.Airpear 14:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)