Talk:Sign stealing

Please be constructive and acknowledge what the sources say
The sources about the 2017 Yankees and Chris Young back my edits, which I even quoted. The 2017 USA Today source even notes how the Yankees were fined.2601:447:4100:C120:1D46:C56A:2D98:BAC2 (talk) 21:58, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Football
In light of the Michigan Wolverines football sign-stealing scandal currently sweeping the college football headlines, this current baseball article needs to be expanded or disambiguated from the sign stealing in gridiron football and possibly other sports.

PK-WIKI (talk) 04:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 26 April 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Clear consensus against move proposal. Which was a bad-faith nom by a sockpuppet who was clearly getting their jollies by starting (and badgering) absurd yet slightly plausible move discussions without any real need or evidence. This was just trolling and we can end this farce. (non-admin closure) oknazevad (talk) 05:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Sign stealing → Sign stealing (baseball) – As evident in the hatnote, the actual act of stealing physical street signs could be confused with the baseball term. Seeing this title, with no further context, wouldn’t exactly bring to mind the baseball term. This RM would clear such confusion and would clarify that the baseball act is, well… for baseball. DS537(WIR) 14:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – Muboshgu (talk) 17:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Hat notes work just fine for this purpose. A disambiguator is unnecessary. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Steel1943 is correct below that a disambiguation page for "Sign stealing" is unnecessary and this should remain unmoved per WP:PRECISE. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support How the current title has remained like this for so long is honestly baffling. Jasp7676 (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ...is honestly baffling: How so? Under what guideline?—Bagumba (talk) 10:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support It's not baffling that the editors in one specific topic think that their use is primary over unrelated topics (I've seen similar many times), but the primacy of the baseball term seems dubious to me. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Here's a Google search result to show you the primacy of the sports usage. The Michigan Wolverines football team is high in the current search results. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: This nomination does not specify what is to happen to the leftoverbrefirecf title Sign stealing in the event this page is moved. Is the plan to retarget Sign stealing to Street sign theft, convert Sign stealing to a disambiguation page, or something else? What say you? (Also, if the purpose ends up being to just give this article a disambiguator but leave Sign stealing pointing towards it, I will oppose oppose per WP:PRECISE.)  Steel1943  (talk) 16:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for asking, @Steel1943. What say I? Well, I would agree with any consensus for how to proceed with Sign stealing; the ultimate outcome can be determined by WP:RFD or here if appropriate. Now if I were to currently determine the best course of action, I would have the base title redirect to the baseball term. DS537(WIR) 16:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – Muboshgu (talk) 17:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's the worst of both worlds. If Sign stealing and Sign stealing (baseball) are the same article, then why would we keep the unnecessary disambiguation in the title? 162 etc. (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s not unnecessary disambiguation; baseball stealing of signs is known as “sign stealing”, but at the same time, such a title may be confused with Street sign theft. In any case, I would ultimately support any consensus on the matter. DS537(WIR) 23:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)  WP:SOCKSTRIKE – Muboshgu (talk) 17:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ...So, you are advocating for the title "Sign stealing" to be replaced with a disambiguation page? Steel1943  (talk) 23:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No, but for it to redirect to the new Sign stealing (baseball); but that’s just what I find to be the best alternative. Feel free to ask other editors for input! DS537(WIR) 23:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – Muboshgu (talk) 17:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "...the ultimate outcome can be determined by WP:RFD or here if appropriate." It needs to be decided in this discussion since we should not cause a blatant policy violation while waiting for a resolution in another forum (WP:RFD). As stated in my previous edit, I now officially oppose (and removed my bolding from this discussion thread for clarity so it does not look like I'm voting twice.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * supportregardless of whether we use a hatnote or a dab page 'Street sign theft' is teh primary topic for 'sign stealing'—blindlynx 17:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Based on what evidence? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * mostly WP:ASTONISH but upon reviewing pageviews it seems there isn't a primary topic so this should be DABed anyways—blindlynx 22:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's an incorrect comparison of page views of two different titles—Sign stealing and Street sign theft—not parenthetically disambiguated titles. The WikiNav data doesn't show "Street sign theft" as even among the top 20 clicks out from "Sign stealing".—Bagumba (talk) 10:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support the current title may WP:ASTONISH people. The basketball meaning has 1,607 views compared with 1,562[|Street_sign_theft] for the theft meaning.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Justified primary topic; the current hatnote works fine. 162 etc. (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed per my comment above since the move as proposed and explained by the nominator is a WP:PRECISE violation since it unnecessarily adds a disambiguator to the title without any changes made to the base name (since the undisambuguated title will redirect to the disambiguates title). However, with that being said, I will create the proposed moved destination as a redirect to the article's current title. Steel1943  (talk) 22:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * With that being said, I have no opinion about the alternative options: The leftover redirect being retargeted to Street sign theft after the move or being overwritten by a disambiguation page. Steel1943  (talk) 22:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As my previous comments, I have a weak support for the base name to redirect to Sign stealing (baseball); any consensus otherwise would be fine with me. DS537(WIR) 23:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – Muboshgu (talk) 17:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nominator. When I first read the nomination, I thought "sign stealing" referred to physical theft of street signs as well. J I P  &#124; Talk 12:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTWHATFIRSTCOMESTOMIND —Bagumba (talk) 01:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the term is related and functional in baseball, and is well-known where the game is played professionally. And per comments above. As for the tangential criminal theft of street signs, that's taken care of in the hatnote. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose The terminology in the article titles is similar (stealing/theft) but not identical. There is enough subtle differentiation to justify a "Not to be confused with" hatnote, and because of that no disambiguation is necessary.  Rgrds. --BX (talk) 19:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Surely people stealing street signs can be said to be sign stealing too, even if the article isn't titled that. This reasoning doesn't make sense. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose a hatnote is sufficient for clearing up any confusion. L EPRICAVARK ( talk ) 17:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment FWIW, the user who proposed this move, and had made other disruptive move proposals, has been blocked as a sockpuppet. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on procedural grounds as this move request was made by a sock puppet, who has allegedly engaged in other disruptive behavior. cookie monster   755  23:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose The hatnote directs people that may have landed at the wrong page. The WikiNav data doesn't show Street sign theft as even among the top 20 clicks out from Sign stealing.  Comparing page views of disparate titles (Sign stealing vs. Street sign theft) is misguided, and there's no evidence that plain "sign stealing" is a common term for "street sign theft".—Bagumba (talk) 10:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Steel and Bagumba. Barkeep49 (talk) 18:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)