Talk:Sigurd the Crusader

Sigurd I Magnussons journey to Jerusalem
--Conservatism (talk) 21:09, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

According to Heimskringla, Thjodrek the Monk tells of Sigurd that he made a Journey to Jerusalem, liberated a few Muslim occupied cities, and among them Sidon; that he captured a cave defended by Muslim Moors, received presents from Baldwin, returned to Norway in Eystein's lifetime, and became insane, as a result, as some say, of a poisonous drink.

Skalds quoted in this saga are: Thorarin Stutfeld, Einar Skulason, Haldor Skvaldre, and Arne Fjoruskeif

It should be noted that the people referred to as heathens in Spain and in the Mediterranean are Muslim Moors (Spain was under Muslim Moorish occupation in the years 711- 1492 AD.)

Based on the number of ships referenced it is estimated that he raised an army of aprox 500-1000 Norsemen.

Furthermore, I am a mass-murdering bastard who is now rotting in jail — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.195.144.71 (talk) 17:50, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Sigurd I Magnusson Journey
Sigurd I Magnusson Journey

Requested move
moved per consensus below. --rgpk (comment) 22:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Sigurd I of Norway → Sigurd the Crusader – due to the Norwegian Crusade he's usually referred to with this name. Relisted. Favonian (talk) 09:33, 23 August 2011 (UTC) Alphasinus (talk) 01:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, in the context of the crusades that is certainly true (although I'm sure I see "Jorsafalar" just as often), but he was king of Norway and many other important things happened during his rule. It's normal on Wikipedia to use the "[Name] [Number] of [Country]" for kings, even when they do have other names (see Richard I of England for example...there are often move requests for him too). And Sigurd isn't like Sweyn the Crusader, who wasn't a king and is only known by his nickname. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:47, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There has been a tendency to move Medieval Scandinavian away from "[Name] [Number] of [Country]" to "[Name] [Nickname]", - Harald Fairhair, Eric Bloodaxe, Harald Hardrada, Harald Bluetooth, possible others as well.  Fornadan (t) 20:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And rightly so - the former convention seems to be largely a Wikipedia invention. However, the real question is - what is the common name in reliable sources? It would seem to be Sigurd the Crusader from this evidence. Ben   Mac  Dui  07:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: links to this discussion have been posted on WT:ROYALTY and WT:Norway. — Favonian (talk) 09:33, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No objection in principle - but the existing form (which conforms to the WP standard for royalty) should be retained as a redirect. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's the normal effect of a page move. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Style
I'd be interested to hear if anyone can provide a source for the statement: "he was also styled as King of Mann and the Isles". There is little doubt he became a ruler of the Kingdom of the Isles, albeit temporarily, but the titles of these rulers were very varied as you can see from the list. Ben  Mac  Dui  11:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Asatru ...
Hi,
 * wouldn't it make more sense to link the Smaalanders directly with Norse Religion
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_religion
 * instead of "Norse Mythology"?

T 88.89.219.147 (talk) 09:05, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

"Sigurd the Crusader"?
"Jorsalafar" does not mean crusader, but someone who has travelled to Jerusalem (as a pilgrim; which fits in well with Sigurd's Norwegian Crusade being described by some as having primarily been a pilgrimage, not a crusade). So a more proper title for the article would be Sigurd Jorsalfar or Sigurd I Magnusson (the title of the article on the Norwegian WP is no:Sigurd Jorsalafare). - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 21:41, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * "Jorsal" was the Old Norse name for Jerusalem, and "fare"/farare" meant traveller, i.e. "Jerusalem-traveller". - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 21:47, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * See the "Requested move" section above for the various possibilities... Adam Bishop (talk) 00:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)