Talk:Silent Hill

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For "Development":. Hula Hup (talk) 22:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

For "Reception":
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 * Hula Hup (talk) 19:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hula Hup (talk) 20:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hula Hup (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * . Hula Hup (talk) 10:52, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

For "Development":. Konami's Tomm Hulett on "the first rule" of the series, criticises the increase of combat in Homecoming, talks about the series "huge female fanbase" and a potential female protagonist/protagonist of a different race and mentions company departments that have a say on diversity's inclusion; I can imagine the first-rule and criticism bits in a quotebox on the series recipe and the fanbase, protagonist and department bits in a quotebox on diversity. Anima Sola (talk) 18:30, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

For a "Future" section (or something like that):. Yamaoka on not being against a Team Silent reunion. He says here that SH2 was the one he enjoyed most working on. Anima Sola (talk) 08:25, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


 * . Series creature designer Masahiro Ito on not being against a Team Silent reunion.


 * . Ito on potential work of his on the series. Anima Sola (talk) 08:40, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

We've got a bit of a serious problem here...
All right. has been blanking sections of the article and made a few test edits. Before this gets into an edit war here, I am taking this discussion here to see if other editors can get involved. Any thoughts or opinions on this matter? Thanks, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:48, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I have all the Silent Hill-related articles in my watchlist for months now, which I check daily. Hula Hup (talk) 08:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Book of Memories is NOT a "Main Game"!
This should be listed as a spin-off.

The game is an arcade style top-down viewpoint hack and slash / shooter.

Gameplay will be nothing like previous Silent Hill games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.213.200 (talk) 06:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The section's name was changed from "Main video games" to "Installments" for reasons explained in the accompanying edit summary. Labeling games without the labels being supported by reliable sources would constitute original research, which contravenes Wikipedia's rule on verifiability. Currently, no source in the article uses these terms for Book of Memories. You are welcome to find one or multiple reliable sources which support these and add them to the article or to this talk page for someone else to add them to the article. The only characterization given to the game is "non-canonical" by source No 12 of the article. Hula Hup (talk) 09:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

i have a qustin were is it said its noncanon i saw source no 12 and it only said it outside the MAIN CANON that doesnt mean noncanon just that its a spinoff that has nothing to do with the main story like the arcade or the escape so tell me were the words NON-CANONICAL at in NO 12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.19.255.59 (talk) 20:32, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The phrase "it is outside of the main canon" means that it is non-canonical. The term "spin-off" should not be added if not used by reliable sources. Hula Hup (talk) 20:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

It's NOT alternate dimensions
Silent Hill's 1-4 do not ever take place in alternate realities, ever, which is mentioned quite clearly in the games. Why IGN is quoted as a source for this is also ridiculous. One has to only look to all games made after 4 to realise that the majority of people outside Team Silent have no idea what their talking about.

The quote from Harry Mason is also misinterpreted. "This whole town is being invaded" means that the nightmare is coming into our reality, it's not taking place in another dimension at all.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.19.178 (talk) 15:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Ares5566/1_dimension

That is all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobtheVila (talk • contribs) 22:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I am in agreement. I've played all 4 of these games and there's no mention of a dimension. From what I have read and listened to over the years, it seems as though the alternate dimension stuff is post Silent Hill 4, in which case, regarding the 4th game or prior, it's not satisfactory to use alter dimensions in discussions unless to contrast from later games. There was a video (or a series of them, I think), done by several guys who proved this exact point using the publishers own material and demonstrating how this misunderstanding takes place. They may not be IGN or some other high profile source, but it was clear they they cite their sources and walk you through the logic and misconceptions. I'll have to find that video, maybe it can be a reference. But as I stated earlier, it's only mentioned by developers of the Homecoming game an beyond that there are other dimensions (that I am aware of), so in those situations I don't think its appropriate to remove that information. Keep in mind the games were switched to western developers who took on a different perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lackingnovelist (talk • contribs) 05:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Metacritic and Gamerankings scores
An anonymous user has been updating the scores without updating the "accessdate" attribute. Since the user seems incapable of understanding what that involves, I suggest that someone check _all_ the scores as they are right now, correct them if necessary and update the accessdate. I'll do it myself unless a nice person (hint: that means you!) does it before I get around to do it myself. Please leave a note as an answer to this comment so we don't repeat the effort. Nczempin (talk) 14:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You mean in this article or in other Silent Hill articles? This article has correct ratings for Downpour currently, but I don't remember when they had been last changed, you are welcome to clean-up the access dates. Hula Hup (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In this article, by the IP that starts with 217. They were changed around June 19, and if you have checked them since then, it is sufficient to change the accessdate to any time between June 19 and whenever you checked (if you don't recall the exact date). I don't need to check them again myself if you say they're currently accurate. Nczempin (talk) 17:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Taken care of, they were updated on June 19 indeed. Thank you for notifying me of the matter, as I hadn't noticed it at all. Hula Hup (talk) 21:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Protection of Silent Hill Articles from ELABORATE THEORIST Descriptions Requested (UPDATED AGAIN AND IS MUST SEE)
[EDIT: I have since updated my notes on SH, see my post below] Note the above reference of a former Team Silent member who worked closely with the rest of the crew.

First of all, the alterations that I have made were more policy friendly for being vague and more to Team Silent's facts on the series. This multi-verse non-sense is a staple only amongst a region of fans and IS actually against the policy of wikipedia to insert, without it being just a speculation page. It's too explicit where there isn't much real evidence of said named worlds. The reference given for a multi-verse, The Book of Lost Memories, is not in sync with the information it was linked to. At least with the alterations I made, people can interpret this their own way, so it's win win for multi-verse theorists and those who go by what TS actually gave us.

Otherwise, it's just not good to give to those new. Team Silent was not making a game with it's star being typical sci-fi terminology, of alternating dimensions, but the mind. This multi-verse complex takes that and smashes it into a simpler level non-psychological, science fiction horror franchise. BobtheVila (talk)


 * Unfortunately, we cannot prove that the said person belonged to Team Silent, but even if we could, their statement should have been published in a reliable first- or third-party source to be considered correct. Almost all third-party reliable sources mention that the Otherworld is an alternate dimension. The term "multiverse" is not necessarily a term of science fiction, as it is featured in multiple fields, such as cosmology, physics, religion, and philosophy, and does not provide false information given that most of the third-party sources state that the Otherworld is an alternate dimension; a similar issue arose some time ago when the substance of the foggy sections of the games was debated, as I advocated the personal interpretation that these areas belonged to an alternate dimension, which I had read on the Silent Hill Wiki, a site crammed with speculation and original research, which refers to this supposed dimension as the "Fog World". No official source by Konami or any of the developers of the series confirms that the foggy part of the game is an alternate dimension, so I finally removed this original research from Wikipedia articles related to the series. I hope I illuminated the situation here. Thank you. Hula Hup (talk) 16:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, BobtheVila! I'm a little confused about what you are concerned about regarding The Book of Lost Memories. Do you think the information in this article has been misunderstood, or do you not agree with Lost Memories as a source at all? If you think that it has been misunderstood, please do correct it. If you disagree with Lost Memories as a source, well, I'm sorry, but it is an official source. I understand that this is of concern to you.


 * Would you mind either reposting your alterations on this talkpage (I'm not exactly sure which alterations you're alluding to) or posting on this talkpage what you think would be a suitable replacement? Perhaps there could be a footnote of some sort? Or something like "According to the original developers, YYYYY.[cited interview(s)] The official SH guidebook, Lost Memories, states ZZZZZ." Would that be alright? Just keep in mind that everything has to be sourced by reliable, published sources (if you need help identifying those, please let me know; there is an reliable source list compiled by the video game project for interviews). The source you posted above is a user blog on Wikia, and user-published material is generally not reliable, unless you can prove that the user was a member of Team Silent. I'm sorry about that.


 * Hula Hup, if it's not too much trouble, is there any published RSs that explicitly refer to it as a multiverse? I can't remember coming across that term, but then again, I keep finding new interviews for SH2 frequently, so... Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 23:15, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't find this term in any source, I had just considered it representative of the series' setting. Here's Merriam-Webster's entry. What exactly do you find incorrect in the explanation? Is it the word "hypothetical"? Hula Hup (talk) 20:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I thank you for the update HulaHoop.


 * Still, it should go down something like this: Silent Hill is set in an eponymous fictitious American town consisting of an ancient essense which dates as far back as the natives...


 * Rough draft, but you get the point. It should instead talk about the power of the town and how it can reflect what those have inside their unconscious minds, not something that wasn't even touched upon officially. Its like typing: "oh, well there's this multiverse thing and...". Get it now?


 * The page should be based upon only the official Japanese information and their wording. TS, like these books, had awlays given more a vague wording to their answers. Thus, this isn't the same as having a plot spilled out in a plot section on wikipedia. It isn't simply another wording for the same thing, either. The theme was of "fear of the unknown" and was always to be left vague for the real answer, even using intended inconsistancies to keep the gamer mistified.


 * The proof of multiverse being the wrong terminology? Well, for starters, there's only the otherworld. Its not part of an even bigger picture. It isn't reality as in "reality as we know it", but more reality as in reality. This is not an argument over whether the otherworld is another world, but a false placement on what type of world it is (e.g. material versus immaterial or pure thought with perscieved embodiment). It isn't the same. A mental world you could yet still vanish off into [for reasons of being absorbed, compressed and uncompressed to be spat out unfatally] isn't to be confused with "the slots/planes or universes of material reality".


 * ''1. Jeremy Blaustein, who translated the games and helped with story ideas in SH2 and on, twittered on his page that the Japanese characters Team Silent uses for the world everything crazy happens in can be interpreted as "Otherworld/Dream world" under the context used in.


 * ''I doubt he's a fake, as the real Jeremy would've spoken out against the fake account by now with all the attention its gotten from Twin Perfect/other (TP has gotten BIG time higher ups at Konami to respond to them before). Jeremy states that the best justice is given to the otherworld by the game's more poetic execution.


 * ''2. The Q and A on an official konami guide, released only in Japan in 1999, specifies this:


 * ''"Q: Why is contact between the town and the outside world completely cut off?


 * A: Unknown! The line between dream and reality is indistinct."


 * ''2.1 Additionally, it said:


 * ''"From the moment Harry wakes up, the town is already deserted. What specifically happened is not made clear until the end-- the only thing that is certain is that this is not an ordinary situation.  While it is only natural to wonder about the welfare of the people who originally lived in Silent Hill, one should be able to come up with a few explanations after completing the game:  everyone died, or what happens in the nightmare world has no effect on reality, or it was all Harry's dream, etc.  Of these, the most likely explanation is that the events took place in the world of Alessa's nightmares."


 * ''2.2 Q: When did Cheryl and Alessa unite?


 * ''A: During the early stages of the story.


 * ''Although the exact moment isn't specified, there's no mistaking that it was during the story's early stages. Cheryl's disappearance into the alleyway during the opening came about because Alessa's nightmare had encroached into Harry's dream; that development is not specifically related to Cheryl's fusion with Alessa......*


 * ''(* The above explains that the allyway scene didn't really occur as the rest of the game does, which is why Harry didn't GAME OVER here when "dying".)


 * ''2.3 "Q: Why does the town suddenly become dark?


 * ''A: Even in the nightmare world, there is a cycle.


 * ''It becomes night (?) on a number of occasions as Harry moves about the town. In the same way, there are also many times when aspects of the town and its buildings change completely. For the sake of convenience, this will be referred to as the "right side" and "reverse side" in this book.  These changes occur because there is a cycle in the world of Alessa's nightmares which envelops the town.  In the same way that a person normally repeats REM sleep and non-REM sleep in regular cycles while he or she is sleeping, when the nightmare world approaches a deeper darkness (sleep), a phenomenon occurs in which light is almost completely taken away and the world shifts into an even deeper nightmare as the cycle shifts again. As for the "right side" and the "reverse side," in short, it isn't that one is reality and one is a dream; the fact is that neither is reality.  Incidentally, the reason the "reverse side" takes on such an ominous aspect is that with her burned body, Alessa's endless nightmares were twisted and amplified by thoughts of the malevolent god.  Her hatred and terror became nourishment on which the malevolent deity thrived."


 * ''3. The Book of lost Memories clears this up even further: "It would seem that in the otherworld, time and physical limitations are transcended and peoples' thoughts are communicated"


 * ''3.1 "Does the real world influence the otherworld born of delusions and the power of the town?"


 * 3.2 Creator comments in the same book keep coming down to the same thing: "...The power that absorbs and reflects what people hold in their hearts is established as being exclusive to the town of Silent Hill."


 * This all implies that the otherworld/dreamworld is, like the Nightmare on Elm Street dream realm, a conscious yet immaterial realm of thought with perceived embodiment. Dark or disturbed individuals simply have already vanished from reality off into this second version of the town, this world of delusion that starts off empty and foggy. There isn't any physical limits or time here. It only half exists as pure will. Its not a multiverse in that it takes you to other personalized worlds, but a realm between reality and unreality. BobtheVila (talk)


 * TS didn't create purely scientific, distinctive logic to what’s going on in town. This is evident by Jeremy Blaustein’s twitter comments on there being no definitive answer. Jeremy himself was part of the creative team by SH2, and helped with making ideas for the game. The page must be changed to meet this fact and be based on the descriptions of TS themselves, that "the power absorbs and reflects what people hold in their hearts".


 * http://twin-perfect.com/blog/masahiro-ito-confirms-trshe-supplementary-multiple-dimension-theory/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobtheVila (talk • contribs) 21:02, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Here’s what IS certain through Ito's and Blaustein's words: Reality is existing reality, your's truly (saying 'real' world isn't to say 'our' world). The line between dream and reality is blurred, not, there are easily many realities and ours is merely of one. This is the meat of what Ito was saying on his own twitter page ("...exist at same dimension."). He means that the otherworld wasn’t easily a long standing constant like in religion or science fiction. The same is implied in TS’s comments in TBoLM, other parts of TBoLM on the otherworld and the 1999 Q&A. As easily as there is monster class delusions are there environmental ones, no more. The town simply allows these delusions to be interactive as if real, for people to disappear off into these said delusions, hence the other name, Dream World (TBoLM: “…doors on the floor is evidence that the world James sees is not REALITY”). Nowhere is, for instance, a realm in itself which was made from memories (resource: 2003 TBoLM). Like the monsters, without someone’s mind or imagination, they don’t exist in any perceived manner. This prints no room to theorize. When something is meant to be this indistinct, theories instantly become further elaborations which change the focus altogether. As stated on this wiki for SH, meaning was meant to be reflected upon. This is more a conclusion, not a reflection. BobtheVila (talk)


 * Hello everyone. I have noticed that this has been a reoccurring controversy across multiple Silent Hill talk pages. So to prevent future "edit wars" and/or tiresome debates, I propose a new unbiased and neutral plot description is crafted for each Silent Hill related article. Current plot descriptions reveal a "multiverse" and/or alternate dimensions behind the events of Silent Hill. But, like it has been shown, not all official sources point to this explanation; among other numerous quotes (published and non-published) from the original creative team (Team Silent) describing otherwise. Therefore I think it is appropriate to remove these terms in order to form a proper neutral description. Revised versions will not feature an alternative, only what is necessary; at least for the time being. Can this be agreed upon? Taylor the Impaler (talk) 04:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, I am coming from another multiverse dispute at . I am in agreement with BobtheVila and Taylor the Impaler. The usage of the terms "multiverse" and "alternate dimensions" have been sufficiently cast into serious doubt, thus WP:NOR. The nature of the Otherworld is ambiguous with in-game evidence, and the applications of terms such as "multiverse" or "alternate dimensions" can only be speculation. Furthermore, the words "multiverse" or "alternate dimensions" are never once found in-game, or in any official Konami source regarding SH 1-4. The onus is on the user to cite a satisfactory citation supporting the phrasing. But in the meantime, the omission of words such as "multiverse" or "alternate dimensions" should be implemented to maintain wikipedia standards of neutrality. Prinn (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Prinn on the lack of "multiverse" or alternate dimensions" for the first four games of the main series. This could be disputed for the remainder of the games, as they were created by different developer teams and could suggest that in at least those installments that there maybe another dimension or universe. With that said, I want to stress that it may not be wise to assume that they retroactively changed the meaning or artistic design of the prior installments. I only say that because of extremely heated debates taking place concerning the series and the possibility of die-hard believers editing articles to suggest something that doesn't involve reliable sources. Lackingnovelist (talk) 05:39, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you Lackingnovelist for your agreement. It seems more and more users support this change and promote a renewal. Prinn and I have addressed this topic in another talk page, but the discussion had turned cold, and no action was taken. But since no other objections have arisen for some time now, the changes requested will be put forth. Any descriptions mentioning a "multiverse" or "alternate dimension(s)" will be removed and replaced with an appropriate, fair revision. I will allow approximately one week for any objections to be made. If nothing is heard, I will assume that we are all in agreement and commence the editing. Thank you everyone who has contributed to this discussion and I hope we have all reached a consensus. Taylor the Impaler (talk) 21:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Heather Mason
Just created, I left many online sources on the talk page. --Niemti (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

SH: The Arcade
"The game PC version was released online in March 2014." Does anyone have a source for this? I did a brief search and I can't find anything. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Future?
There should probably be a section on the series' future.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I was thinking that too. There have been a lot of rumours about the series returning, on Reddit.82.37.169.38 (talk) 19:09, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

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I was going to add some recent developments but the page is locked
In the past few weeks many game sites and others have been reporting on some recent silent hill developments by Konami. Apparently there’s a soft reboot coming and a telltale game in the spirit of silent hill coming. Chris P Bacon77 (talk) 21:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If you can provide a reliable source on this (check out this handy list of accepted reliable sources), I'd be more than happy to add it. Best, Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 23:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I found a few in the cse. One by gamerevolution and by games radar. I will post them in a second  Chris P Bacon77 (talk) 00:29, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

It says my links were saved in the talk page wherever that is Chris P Bacon77 (talk) 00:33, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the talk page for the Silent Hill article. I don't see the links on a quick glance. Could you try posting the sources under my post (this one)? You can make an indented post by beginning your post with an ":". Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 00:36, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I tried double brackets and what you suggested. I guess I’ll make a new post and add them Chris P Bacon77 (talk) 00:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you try single brackets, e.g. [www.ign.com]? Or posting them to my talkpage? I'm not entirely sure why the links aren't showing. This hasn't happened before. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 00:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


 * OK, so I checked guidelines about adding stuff about speculation about the future/rumors, and it seems that it's frowned upon, at least until the info can be verified. Which is unfortunate, but guidelines are guidelines. Sorry about that. I, for one, am hoping the rumors are true. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 01:15, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok np. I wouldn’t want to post rumors. I want to follow the guidelines. I really hope it’s true to. Chris P Bacon77 (talk) 02:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Silent Hill: Orphan
There's no mention of the 3 "Silent Hill: Orphan" mobile games ("Silent Hill Mobile" in Europe), they should be under "Other games". There's an actual wiki page for the 3 games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hill:_Orphan) but despite the fact they were released globally and actually published by Konami, they aren't mentioned here. Someone should get to adding them (someone who isn't me). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB10:296:CA00:9862:DA8E:33FE:273E (talk) 20:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Cancelled games
Since I added the "Missing Information" template to the cancelled section, I figured it would only be fair to provide some background information/sources for whoever wants to add it. Some of this would also be useful to expanding the development section in Silent Hill: Homecoming.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lets-clear-this-up-team-silent-was-making-a-silent-hill-5-and-it-and-they-got-canned-by-konami.61131/ (Comprehensive interview dump for Silent Hill 5 with quotes/links)

https://www.twitter.com/adsk4/status/1142844631161303040

https://www.twitter.com/adsk4/status/1142838894804627456

https://www.twitter.com/adsk4/status/1257733176736145408

https://www.twitter.com/adsk4/status/1186165114866561024

https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3326500/silent-hill-cold-heart-pitch-teases-couldve/

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/08/feature_the_making_of_silent_hill_shattered_memories

https://www.gamesradar.com/making-silent-hill-shattered-memories/

https://bloody-disgusting.com/video-games/3537131/silent-hill-2-art-director-reveals-cancelled-2013-silent-hill-project-concept-art/

https://za.ign.com/silent-hills/105314/news/silent-hill-monster-designer-reveals-concept-art-for-cancelled-silent-hill-game

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-12-09-art-director-shares-artwork-from-cancelled-silent-hill-project-and-still-wont-tell-us-whats-under-pyramid-heads-helmet

https://twitter.com/search?lang=en&q=2013 (from%3AAdsk4)&src=typed_query

https://twitter.com/search?q=Cancelled (from%3AAdsk4)&src=typed_query

https://www.twitter.com/adsk4/status/903700379321249792

 Dark knight  2149  05:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

It is SILENT HILL
The game is stylised in all caps by Konami:

SILENT HILL Transmission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ooEM1n4pM

SILENT HILL 2 Teaser Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qPdInnvMzg

SILENT HILL: Townfall Teaser Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wWF_TKSvzI

Return to SILENT HILL Teaser Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FOVN-UkEI

SILENT HILL: Ascension Teaser Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7_QDCTX-Vo

SILENT HILL f Teaser Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPNXE_q4BdE

Every tweet that mentions the game is also mentioned in all caps:

https://twitter.com/SilentHill?t=G94r3Sph2T6iMGEktiRigA&s=09 190.21.37.242 (talk) 13:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * We only include unique stylization, all caps of a title is not a unique stylization. TheDeviantPro (talk) 14:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Is there a rule here in Wikipedia about what you are claiming? The transmission and all instances the game is mentioned is in all caps, they surely are trying to tell us the game is SILENT HILL not Silent Hill unless we are referring to the town itself.190.21.37.242 (talk) 14:09, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The capitalization has more to do with how the Japanese approach using the Latin alphabet in brand marketing than an intentional stylization. Western journalists don't honor it so we should not either. TarkusAB talk / contrib 14:58, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's the case here. The trailer, official English twitter, official website, etc are intentionally writing SILENT HILL every single time the game is mentioned instead of Silent Hill. Western journalists probably don't know that or really care too much about that detail. When a game like Resident Evil is mentioned it's always Resident Evil in official media and not RESIDENT EVIL (only used for the logo). We should follow what is official, no what some journalists use. For Konami the game is SILENT HILL while Silent Hill is only used to refer to the town.190.21.37.242 (talk) 18:42, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's guideline on this is located at WP:MOSTM. Western game journalists are well aware of this phenomenon. Go to the Square Enix YouTube channel, or Konami, or Capcom, and scroll through the trailer videos and note how many franchise names are written in all caps. It's not just used in video games, but also used in fashion and other branding in Japan. All caps stylizations in Japanese branding is not noteworthy. Even in cases of Western games like Doom, which has frequently been stylized in all caps, Wikipedia uses standard cases throughout the article. By the way, Resident Evil has been frequently capitalized by Capcom as well, but it is Biohazard in Japan anyways which is usually capitalized.  TarkusAB talk / contrib 19:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying we should have SILENT HILL written in all caps throughout the entire article, I'm just saying we should add the fact the game is stylised that way in official English related stuff like here: https://www.konami.com/games/us/en/topics/2078/


 * "Silent Hill (stylised as SILENT HILL)" not seeing anything wrong with it, is not about changing the whole article to be written in all caps, I never suggested that. I know Biohazard is actually BIOHAZARD, but English Wikipedia uses Resident Evil which is the way is written in official English media, so it's fine.190.21.49.237 (talk) 06:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry I didn't mean to suggest you were discussing prose changes. To clarify, I'm just discussing the lead line you suggested. I'll be more clear on my stance: I believe the use of all-caps in Japanese brand marketing is so prevalent that we cannot rely on there to be any creative intent. I think mentioning the stylization implies creative intent which is misleading. Futhermore, our guidelines generally lean towards relying on independent sources instead of official one to determine significance of things, and I didn't see one use of the capitals out of the 100 news article titles I browsed through. If you want other opinions, you may ask at WT:VG. TarkusAB talk / contrib 09:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Silent Hill 2 remake listing
There appears to be a sort of dispute as to where the listing for Silent Hill 2 remake ought to be placed. I would advise that as it is a remake, and indeed, the interview with Bloober Team did say they'd stay very faithful to the original in most, if not all aspects, whilst updating the graphics and gameplay, it isn't counted as a mainline installment. It's not a sequel, and it hasn't been described as a reimagining either.

Alternatively, if it's not to be sublisted under Silent Hill 2, then it needs to be in other games.-- Tærkast (Discuss) 20:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Silent Hill 2 (Bloober Team) was moved because it isn't a port and didn't come out in the early 2000s, and it's marketed as an upcoming title.


 * It's also worth mentioning that Silent Hill 2 isn't in the first remake in the series, since Shattered Memories was a reimagining of the first game (and it's listed below Homecoming).


 * While not the most relevant point IMO, it should be noted that the remake isn't really an ultra-faithful Bluepoint-style remake either, but rather a full overhaul. Although Bloober Team's interviews are filled with flowery language about "faithfulness," they have talked about how they're remaking their "perfect memory" of it (instead of how it was), how they were able to insert their own visions, how they're tweaking the story and adding their own plot threads, one report mentions several new endings, they talk about redoing the dialogue and creature design, ETC.


 * https://gra-pl.translate.goog/szef-bloober-team-o-silent-hill-2-remake-nie-odtwarzamy-gry-ale-idealne-wspomnienie-o-niej-wywiad/ar/c12-16999239?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


 * https://rytmy-pl.translate.goog/silent-hill-2-remake-rozmawiamy-z-tworcami/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


 * https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/konamis-silent-hill-plans-could-include-a-remake-full-sequel-and-episodic-stories/


 * Even in the trailer, the main character has a noticeably different mental state from the original version. Technically and artistically, this is a new game with its own creative decisions, assets, release date, gameplay mechanics, ETC. A 2023-2024 game shouldn't be listed under a 2001 game, even if it's a reboot/retelling of that game's story. Personally, I'm not aware of any franchise articles that are structured that way.  Dark knight  2149  23:23, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * A good example of this would be Psycho (franchise), where Psycho (1960) and Psycho (1998) are treated as separate films with separate listings, even though it's a shot-for-shot recreation of the original film with minor differences. Or the table at Resident Evil, where the remakes are listed separately from their source material. While Silent Hill 2 (202X) may adapt/retell a previous game's story, it's still a distinct title.  Dark knight  2149  16:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I get that. I think maybe we should have a section for remakes or something? It wouldn't be "canon"ically a new game, in the same way a full blown sequel. Or it could be in the other games section. I just wouldn't structure it in a way to imply it's a new main installment.-- Tærkast (Discuss) 19:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Truth be told, a franchise as important as Silent Hill ought to have the entire franchise page rewritten to a higher standard like the Resident Evil and Final Fantasy franchise articles, among others.-- Tærkast (Discuss) 20:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't be opposed to a rewrite or a separate section for a remakes. But Silent Hill 2 (upcoming) shouldn't be put in the same section as the HD Collection, since it's a distinct title remaking a previous game's story, rather than a port or a remaster. It does raise the question of where Shattered Memories should go, since it's a reimagining/remake of the first game (albeit playing more fast and loose with the premise).  Dark knight  2149  23:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Ultimately, I don't think it matters too much at the moment until the entire article is rewritten to good quality franchise standards like Resident Evil and Final Fantasy with a release timeline list on the right hand side. It's nowhere near that quality at the moment. -- Tærkast (Discuss) 19:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Silent Hill: Ascension needs its own page
Not only that but listing it under Other media doesn´t sit right with me. Even Play Novel: Silent Hill is filed in the Other games section and it has less gameplay. Ascension features "puzzles", avatar creation, needs to be installed, etc. Metacritic files it under the game category and the IGN reviewed episode 1 as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1F:8701:A401:E4A0:AAF:F02F:F18C (talk) 19:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)