Talk:Silent Hill 4: The Room/Archive 1

Possible Lovecraft reference
Isn't "Townshend" a name of the New England town in H. P. Lovecraft's short story "Whisperer in the Dark"? Elenthel 22:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Page blanking?
Dear FlareNUKE, why have you erased a part of the "Influence and Trivia" section and have not given a reason for doing this? Elenthel 22:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Because that same information is on EVERY Silent Hill page. So I just removed it on all of them, and put them on the main page --FlareNUKE 23:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

David Lynch?
"Director David Lynch is legendary for having eaten lunch at Bob's Big Boy restaurant every day for approximately seven years straight. [2] That particular Bob's Big Boy is located in Toluca Lake, CA on Riverside Drive, just down the road from Warner Bros. Studios and Universal Studios."

Can anyone explain to me why that's here? Other then the passing mention of Toluca Lake it seems completely irrelevant.
 * Silent Hill has referenced to David Lynch several times, like the street name in SH1 and scenes used in SH2. Seems to fit with the trend of Lynch refs.

Clean-up
Could someone possibly clean up the end of the plot synopsis? Everything seems to make sense about the plot, then it suddenly starts talking about an Eileen and a "Mother" without saying anything about them. I'd clean it up myself, but the only game I've played that could be considered a survival-horror is Doom. Woodrow Buzard 17:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Canadian Citizens Resembling Players
What is this nonsense about "Canadian citizen William Ashley" looking like Henry? I have no idea who William Ashley is or what he looks like. 204.112.156.246 07:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

"In" Silent Hill?
Armed only with a steel pipe that broke loose when the wall opened, a carton of chocolate milk, and a bottle of wine, he proceeds to venture into the hellish madness of "Silent Hill". Henry never goes into Silent Hill. He comes close to it, yes, but he never actually enters the town of Silent Hill. Shouldn't this be edited out? Endaso 17:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Being quoted, the "Silent Hill" here is designed to mean rather the whole Silent Hill universe than the town itself. I think that the quote marks are enough to show this. Elenthel 08:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Yes, I suppose I can see that. I guess it's the tone that doesn't appeal to me - seems more like the tone one would use on a promotion for a cheesy B-movie. But I'll let it be. Endaso 16:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Serial Killer References
I was wondering if a complete list of referenced names can be put up here or on the Silent Hill Reference article. SH4 makes several to serial killers and victims of killing, like De Salvo and Sullivan. I assume that there are more? I think it's important to note it, since the games theme is based on serial killing.

Spoilers
Sorry for not having an account, but this article is chock-full of spoilers. The third section contains all the endings, and this seems totally unnecessary. I'm just going to remove them. --(DoomMusic) 208.251.97.90 23:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

See this page. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

At most perhaps a spoiler warning tag could be added before the endings section. The information on the endings should not be deleted. --(SpellSword 02:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC))
 * The idea is generally that if someone is going to read sections entitled "Plot summary" and "Endings" they're expecting spoilers.  Leebo  T / C  16:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

About the spoilers, this caught my eye: "The second half of the game has the room become possessed by various hauntings which drain Henry's health". This is not quite true, the room comes occupied by monsters only if player picks up a doll which Walter Sullivan leaves on the staircase in the first half of the game. So haunting depends on the player rather than it's inevitable. I guess this is useless information, but I thought the sentence could still be rephrased or something. ~JayAnselmo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.89.97.1 (talk) 18:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Good article not passed
I have decided not to pass this article because of a lack of a development section. WP:WIAGA 3a requries "broad in its coverage," and most WP:CVG/GA articles include development sections, including the characters. How was the game marketed? How many units did it sell? Was there a different director, and if so how did he or she change the direction? So on and so forth. hbdragon88 23:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find a lot of information on these subjects, otherwise I would have included them. If nothing can be done for it I'll probably take this back more or less as is. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 00:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

GA Review
Well written?:
 * 1) lead sections [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]]
 * 2) layout [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]]
 * 3) jargon [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]]
 * 4) words to avoid [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]]
 * 5) fiction [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]]
 * 6) list incorporation [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]]


 * Broad in coverage?: [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] This article needs more coverage.


 * Neutral point of view?: [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] The article has a semi good neutral point of view.


 * Stability of the article?: [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] Not the subject of any recent or on-going edit wars.


 * Images?: [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] The deficiency of images is not a step/criteria of fall. Some of the images are non-free.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note below showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. Macys123 —Preceding comment was added at 21:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:VG assessment
This is definitely a solid article, though if it were up to me I wouldn't have let this article pass GA, for the following reason: If I were initiated in the art of GAR-ing then I'd probably demote this article to B-class, but I won't because I'm lazy and it wouldn't take an incredible amount of effort to rectify these problems. Overall the article is very nice, but still needs some work to get to A-class. Hope this helps, Una LagunaTalk 12:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Too many one- and two-sentence paragraphs. These should be kept to an absolute minimum as short paragraphs make the article less smooth to read.
 * Correct me if I'm incorrect, but this article doesn't have a screenshot which shows the normal user interface. This is a must-have for video game articles. Didn't look closely enough at the screens >_<
 * The Story and Endings section appear to have next to no citations. These are vital to verify that the contents of these sections are accurate.
 * Great work so far - sort the paragraph length issue and I'll nominate it for A-Class. Una LagunaTalk 09:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a great article now. I was going to nominate it for A-class here and now, but I looked at some of the other A-class VG articles and found that they all contained information regarding the game's sequels. Finding sources for information on this shouldn't be difficult. The length of a Sequels (or "Later developments", as F.E.A.R. calls it) section will depend on the level of information available, but try to aim for three-five paragraphs of text. Have a look at the relevant sections in F.E.A.R. and Goemon's Great Adventure (two A-class articles) for further ideas of what to include. Una LagunaTalk 09:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I have a few other comments before I'll agree on the A-class. User:Krator (t c) 12:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The lead section is not great. Remove the names of the characters, because it is unnecessary detail for the lead, and sidetracks the reader. What does "mostly praised with a mixed reaction" mean in English? The lead section is not the right place for comparison with other parts of the series. Furthermore, it needs to briefly summarise gameplay.
 * The screenshots are too dark for Wikipedia-size thumb display. This will be an issue if you put it up for FA.
 * Renaming History to Development is standard WP:VG practise.
 * Common mistake: Plot and Story are switched. Quote from another Wikipedia article: "The plot/story distinction separates out the sequence of events the work relates (the story) from the sequence in which those events are presented in the work (the plot)."
 * MetaCritic does not "give approval ratings".


 * A few questions about you VG assesment for Silent Hill 4: The Room:
 * Do you know of any sources I can check for development info so that the "Development" section can earn its name?
 * Same with sales data: All I have are some statistics on the Japanese charts. I have no doubt that will come up in any future FAC.
 * For "Characters" and "Story", what parts exactly do you want changed? Or should I just trust my instincts on what looks like it belongs in the "story" section?


 * Everything else I should be able to sort out eventually. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You wouldn't happen to be able to check the Japanese Konami site for this information? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 1. My comment was mostly related to the title of the section, I think the content is fine. "Development" sections have been used to collect all kinds of information, indeed sometimes unrelated to development. Previews of the game usually provide a lot of development (in the strict sense) information. Note that I'll agree on A-class without any changes to the Development section itself (it's fine), but improvement is always good. 2. There's no source for sales data available, and almost no video game article contains that kind of information. If you can find it, add it, but don't count on it. 3. I believe the section titles "Story" and "Plot" need to be reversed, that's all. User:Krator (t c) 20:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Lightened one picture, tweaked the lead a little bit as well. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 06:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done! Congratulations, promoted it. User:Krator (t c) 12:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, well done on getting the article to A! And thanks to Krator for finding the points which I missed. Una LagunaTalk 14:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Lead section - summary or introduction?
81.165.146.30 removed the sentence summarising the reception of the game as "the lead section is meant to be an introduction to the article, not a summary of it". I reverted this on the basis of the following excerpt from Lead section:


 * "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article "

So, a summary of each part of the article. Including the Reaction section. Anybody have any reasons we shouldn't have a sentence giving an overview of this section? Una LagunaTalk 13:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

He's been at this for a while now, and I have also been reverting him. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 18:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Door
should it be noted that instead of saying "Don't go out Walter!!!" it says "Don't go out, Walter!!!" --L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 00:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Frank Sunderland
"There is also fan speculation that South Ashfield Height's superintendent Frank Sunderland is connected to, and possibly the father of, Silent Hill 2 's player character James Sunderland.[12][19][20]" I'd say it were a bit more than speculation - they nearly say it in the game (looking at the picture above the desk after going to prison world, it says "I got this photo from Sunderland, the Superintendent. I heard his son and daughter-in-law disappeared in Silent Hill a few years back...") BlueRaja (talk) 06:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Walter Sullivan
Why exactly was the Walter Sullivan article deleted? Henry still has his own separate article, so I don't quite understand why Walter shouldn't, either. (Walter has a lot of information pertaining to his character, such as his history with the cult, his victims and why he chose them, etc)

Is there anyway we can have the article reinstated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.100.127.10 (talk) 05:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

-> Don't know why it has been deleted but I changed it a few seconds ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.179.254.226 (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)