Talk:Simón Bolívar/Archive 2

First paragraph rewrite needed for grammar
"Simón Bolívar (July 24, 1783 – December 17, 1830), was one of the most important leaders of Spanish America's successful struggle for independence from Spain along with José de San Martín, collectively known as Bolívar's War."

This reads that Bolivar and San Martin were collectively known as Bolivar's War.

This statement is unbelievable for billion of persons along history:


 * "Despite his use of explicit genocidal terror tactics..."

I removed it and I will check this article carefully. -- Albeiror24 - English - Español - Italiano 10:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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This article needs to be fleshed out. Personalities and events are not explained.

Random notes on Simón Bolívar:

His name is pronounced much like the English word believer, with the accent on the second syllable.

Bolívar's idea to unify all of South America was also called La República de Gran Colombia, which it was briefly called after many territories were combined in 1819.

Why is his name so long? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.70.212 (talk) 07:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Bolívar and Chavez
Somebody is trying to add some wordy exposition to the Bolívar article, stating Bolívar's influence on the Venezuela president. As this makes up 30 percent of the complete Bolívar article I think it is stating more about Chavez than about Bolívar, which means these details - if at all - should be added to the Chavez article and not here in this place. If at all, a few lines would be more than enough in the Bolívar article. If we started to explain Bolívar's influence on important American politicians, the article would be ten times as long as it is. -- Meister (talk) 15:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it would be appropriate to add a few sentences (maybe 2-3) about Bolivarianism to the "political legacy" section. Its absence seems like a glaring omission.Youngea (talk) 13:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy smokes. The bit about Chavez appropriating (or should I say, expropriating?) Bolivar's image reads on like a puff piece written by a Chavez propaganda outlet.  Bolivar was a great man, who liberated millions.  Chavez is a tinpot dictator who will be done and dusted in about 10 years and then forgotten by history.  To even mention them in the same breath does a great disservice to Bolivar's memory.  It would be more appropriate if Chavez had appropriated the image of President Alphonse Simms in Moon over Parador or Woody Allen's character in Bananas.  Except that it's more sad than funny, really.Ndriley97 (talk) 22:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Back to an Encyclopedic article
Hello people. Nowhere, ANYWHERE, in this entry should there be mention of Chavez anymore than their should be mention of any Latin American politican claiming the mantle of Bolivar. The list would be never-ending.

Second, the "Claims Against Bolivar" section is worthless and irrelevant: How does an opinion by ONE author in 2007 merit inclusion in here... Me suspects said author is looking to enter himself into WIkipedia. There are literally THOUSANDS of books on Bolivar that claim countless things and opinions on him.

If you have a particularly new, original, or even bizarre claim (whether having to do with Bolivar's favorite tobacco, underwear preference, or vegetarianism) MOVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION SECTION.

Henceforth, any crazu changes will merit a lock on this article. Verdadseadicha (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI
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Panama
The article lists five countries liberated by Bolivar: Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Columbia, and Venezuela. What about Panama? Ok, sure, it was just a province of Columbia at the time, and then for awhile afterwards, but it is an independant country today that was Spanish territory before Bolivar and independant of the Spanish, if not the Columbians, afterwards? Would anyone object to my adding it? Chrisrus (talk) 01:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Political and military career
This article needs a summary of his career, which seems to have been totally removed, probably to revert vandalism. I have restore the previous Liberator section but it could probably do with some condensing.--Jack Upland (talk) 21:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Assuming the pronunciation given in the article is intended to represent the Spanish pronunciation, what is the reason for (a) omitting any indication of the tonic accent; (b) making the final 'r' of 'Bolívar' silent? Sdoerr (talk) 20:45, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

¿?
Desde cuándo Simón Bolívar fue presidente del perú?--204.116.78.250 08:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Sí.198.252.38.154 13:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Desde Febrero 17, 1824 hasta Enero 28, 1927. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.214 (talk) 22:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Unlikely exile
Some comedy show I recently watched (probably The Daily Show) made an interesting (and probably true) point:

"Simón Bolívar is the only person in history to be exiled from a country named after him."

Oh, I just did a little in-depth research (aka, a 10 second Google search), and it was Kinky Friedman. --Xyzzyva 11:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

That's probably why he uttered "I have plowed the sea" on his deathbed.

No idea Bolivar went to exile from Bolivia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.214 (talk) 22:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Motivation?
Reading this article, I get no sense of why Bolivar chose to oppose the Spanish. This seems like a major omission to me. Gruntler (talk) 06:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The Spanish or the Spaniards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 23:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Statue in Tehran
Since late 2004, there is a statue of him in Tehran : http://payvand.com/news/04/nov/1244.html --Jerome Potts (talk) 20:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Circumstances of his parents?
The sentence of the article that says "The circumstances of Bolívar's parents forced them to entrust the baby Simón Bolívar to the care of Doña Ines Manceba de Miyares and the family's slave la negra Hipolita." is rather jarring since the previous paragraphs emphasize how wealthy the family was. What were these circumstances? Would "commitments" be a better choice of words than "circumstances"?

Tashiro (talk) 04:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeiter
In other languages of wikipedia and other websites it has ponte y blanco not ponte y yeiter for his full name. I can't find yeiter anywhere beside this article. I'm thinking this should be changed from yeiter to blanoc, or could someone add a reference for yeiter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.155.76.65 (talk) 10:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Now Chavez says Bolivar was assassinated
I think this is a matter of Chavez appropriating Bolivar, an attempt to make him a property of his own "revolution." Chavez apparently intends to put considerable resources toward finding (or creating) evidence for his thesis.

Chavez thinks the moon landing was fake, 9/11 was done by Bush, and Gaddafi was as swell guy. He says a lot of ridiculous stuff. 02:20, 27 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phi O'Byrne (talk • contribs)

Did Bolívar have any children?
The article says at one point that he had no children, but later it reads " including descendants of Bolivar".

One of these two must be wrong. But which?

John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.135.7.6 (talk) 23:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "Descendant" doesn't always mean a direct descendant, though that probably is how most people read it. A direct descendant is a daughter or grandson. Your nephews and grandnieces are your indirect descendants. I suppose it would make sense to specify "indirect descendant" here. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Death by poison
Hi, in recent news Simon Bolivar may die by arcenic, please read: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-04/uomm-hmc042810.php no he did not die by poison it was tuberculosis i did a dee p research — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dianidizzy2 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Please change image caption
A caption in the Early Life section needs to be changed. It now says "Bolívar by José Gil de Castro in 1825." which should be changed to something like "Miniature of Bolívar, c. 1800". Gil de Castro would have been 15 years old when he painted this miniature if the current caption is correct, which is unlikely. Miniatures on ivory in those days were like Polaroid photos for the rich—they were painted from life and put in a locket, not painted 25 years after the fact as the current caption appears to indicate. Also, the supporting image file says nothing about Gil de Castro; in fact, it says the miniature painter is anonymous. Thanks. --108.45.72.196 (talk) 22:49, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure what the truth is, but the file info does contradict the caption. Even if wrong, they now match. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ¡Muchas gracias, Señor Hulk! For your services to la Patria, we will put your sarcophagus next to that of El Libertador in the Panteon Nacional. (just kidding).  Thanks.  --108.45.72.196 (talk) 18:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

"In fact, George Washington and Bolívar shared the same objective: independence for their people and the establishment of democratic states."
What reliable source says this and where? Obviously we could also claim they both shared the same religious beliefs - if they were both Christians; or that they both shared similar military backgrounds - if they were both military commanders; or that they both saw the sky to be blue - if they ,,, etc etc etc. I have tagged these accordingly, per WP:SYN. Mercy11 (talk) 14:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyright issue?
At least one section appears to be lifted wholesale from http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/big-read-simon-bolivar-south-amer-ican-independence-leader — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.255.86 (talk) 23:07, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

coat of arms
he is mentioned specifically for having a very rare colour in his coat of arms on the tincture (heraldry) page; a picture of his coat of arms should be included here. Saccerzd 21:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Bolivar is a surname andalusian, probably derived from olivar (olive forest)¿"Bó olivar" = "good olive forest"?. There is no surname 'bolivar' in the Basque Country, although there is a small village of that name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.146.127.203 (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2014 (UTC)