Talk:Simon Dee

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Imprisoned for debt?
Debt is not an offence, so he must have been imprisoned for something else. What? Marshall46 (talk) 15:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It was non-payment of council rates. Corrected.  Marshall46 (talk) 13:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

References and Parody
On which show was mentioned a spoof book described as: "How To Remain At The Top In Showbiz For A Very Long Time - by Simon Dee" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.123.99 (talk) 12:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The Brighton College site, cited in this article, says Dodd was there 1951-1957 when he was 16-22 - seems unlikely.Sebmelmoth (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC) Brighton College has now amended this to 1951-52 but continues to give his birth as Ottawa so it is unlikely they have looked up their records, if they have any. The College has not replied to my emails - although I suspect my messages are causing them to change their information. Sebmelmoth (talk) 16:39, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Place of birth
Obituaries in The Times and Telegraph go with Ottawa, but only The Guardian goes with Manchester. A.P. Cross (talk) 21:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

But the GRO Index is authoritative about names and dates - the Canada story is false. Nor was he or his father born Henty-Dodd.Sebmelmoth (talk) 05:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The GRO Index is authoritative about names except when it comes to working out whether a particular name was used as a middle name (it will list only first name and one initial, I think). When Simon Dee / Nicholas Henty-Dodd placed an advert in The Times about the death of his father it read: "HENTY-DODD, CYRIL EDWIN P. &mdash; Born Salford, July 9, 1906, son of Cyril Dodd and Maud Henty; greatly loved father and much missed by your only son Nicholas. RIP Pop. 1 Kings 2.v.10." I think this makes it clear that his father was known by the hyphenated form at least by the time of his death in 1980, and probably earlier. Sam Blacketer (talk) 16:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

There is no Cyril Henty-Dodd in the British Phone Books - Dee's father was Cyril Edwin Dodd - no Henty. There is no evidence that anyone before Dee used Henty-Dodd. I am checking with Brighton College what he was called there - almost certainly just Dodd. Sebmelmoth (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Date of Death
Many quoted refs (Daily Telegraph/Mail) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/tv-radio-obituaries/6115121/Simon-Dee.html seems to use 30th as his date of death. A determined anon seems to think it was the 29th without any refs to support this. I've already reverted 3 times so perhaps we can decide on Dee's actual death date? --Egghead06 (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Lazy Journalists are notoriously innacurate! Why don't you believe the initial report of Simon Dee's death here which appears to be from a more authoritative source? Ultimately, this needs a copy of his Death Certificate to resolve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.49.113.163 (talk) 11:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I just added a date cos early version like don't have any  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.247.155 (talk) 11:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I suppose its too much to expect that Egghead06 will now apologise for making repeated incorrect edits based on lazy obits that were obviously just cribbed marginal re-works of this Wikipedia page, errors and all! This page now references sources that were probably copied from previous versions of this page, so lazy journalism makes it hard to tell what so-called "facts" have authorative sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.49.113.163 (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Toilet seat face: Petula Clark or Marilyn Monroe?
It is unclear whether the change made by 81.155.199.162 (who seems to be an authoritative source) to replace Petula Clark by Marilyn Monroe in and again in  is vandalism as asserted by User:Marshall46  or a legitimate correction. The assertion that the face was Petula Clark comes from Caitlin Moran's article "Simon agonises", The Times, 2 January 2004, but this article contains other factual errors such as asserting that Bill Cotton was Director General of the BBC, so is maybe not the most reliable source. The Telegraph Obituary says Marilyn Monroe, but this may have been cribbed from Wikipedia after the change made by 81.155.199.162 on 30 August, and contains errors such as the wrong date of death, so is another potentially unreliable source.

Is there a reliable source anywhere?

90.49.113.163 (talk) 00:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * If the sources for both Marylin Monroe and Petula Clark are unreliable, perhaps the story should be removed completely. Marshall46 (talk) 19:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * "Clark" was changed to "Monroe" by User 81.155.199.162 at 06:33 on 30 August. The online Telegraph obituary has a later dateline, 17:59, 30 August 2009, but it is more specific than Wikipedia and so is unlikely to have cribbed it.  The Telegraph says that Dee "was in court again in 1974, admitting to having smashed a lavatory seat decorated with a picture of Marilyn Monroe in a Chelsea gift shop".  As we have one press source for Petula  Clarke and one for Marylin Monroe, I thought it best to remove the story entirely until we can find some corroboration.  Marshall46 (talk) 18:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm extremely sceptical about this story. If Bill Cotton was a magistrate it would have been most improper for him to have sat in judgement on somebody he knew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.4.183.18 (talk) 17:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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Lorna Mcdonald
The model Lorna Mcdonald link on the Lucie Clayton Charm Academy offers a wiki to Lorna Mcdonald and redirects to Simon Dee's wiki. This is problematic as an entire person is summarized on wikipedia through a sentence on someone elses page relating they were in a car with them at one point. I suggest fleshing out a page for Lorna Mcdonald, omitting the mention of her as it isn't very pertinent, or simply remove the link to Lorna as having her own wiki. My apologies if this is formatted incorrectly, I'm new

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucie_Clayton_Charm_Academy 23.233.7.83 (talk) 13:59, 7 May 2023 (UTC)