Talk:Simon Fraser, 15th Lord Lovat

Mother tongue?
The article's introduction describes Gaelic as his "mother tongue". This is highly unlikely, unless both his parents, and the rest of the household, used only/primarily Gaelic in the home. Considering also that he was sent off to Ampleforth, presumably at a young age, English would certainly have been his first language as a child. --Mais oui! 20:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If it's a big deal, I can ask some folks who knew him; I never had the privelege of asking the man, but a few of the Frasers here in California used to carry on with him. I entered that link quite awhile ago, as the man spoke Gaelic with his friends at home from what I recall, and he certainly considered himself to be a Gael. As well, Gaelic was the primary toungue of the majority of his ancestors, and those who held his position as MacShimidh before him, thus "mothertoungue" refers more so to his heritage than to the language he used. At any rate, it's not largely important. [[Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png]] Canæn [[Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png]] 07:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Gaelic (AKA Irish) or Scots Gaelic? --ManOnPipes 21:48, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

15th or 17th Lord Lovat?
The introduction has both, should probably check which and fix that? Or explain it somehow sooner... I noticed his father had similar off-by-one in 'commonly known as'?131.207.236.198 11:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The family was apparently stripped of the title for two generations, leading to some confusion over the exact numbering - he was 15 in law, but known as 17 as a courtesy to his ancestors. Drutt (talk) 12:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

mistakes that needs to be fixed!!!
Lord Lovat reputedly waded ashore donning a white jumper under his battledress,

Based on what? Because even his piper, Bill Millin had denied this. In the movie The Longest Day the actor playing him wore a white jumper, and Lord Lovat would normally wear a light coloured jumper under standard BD blouse, but never a white jumper alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.92.118 (talk) 06:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

PHHT! You're citing the movie?!? While there were a number of things that were highly accurate in the movie there were many inaccuracies (EX they did not land on an LSA they landed using an LSI, the guy representing BMillin was wearing BDUs not a kilt and was carrying a STEN whereas Millin did not carry a firearm, shall I go on???) 1 - find a reliable source to cite about the clothing (Minute By Minute said he's wearing this, but I'm starting to find obvious errors and inaccuracies in it), 2 - how does he don AKA put on a jumper/sweater under his jacket while he's wearing it, much-less while wadding ashore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManOnPipes (talk • contribs) 05:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

--in the movie "The Longest Day", Peter Lawford does not wear a white jumper as he portrays Lord Lovat. He wears corduroy trousers, which Lovat apparently affected to wear. They are some darker color, possibly khaki, hard to tell in a black-and-white movie, and a white pullover sweater with a turtleneck collar. Over that, he wears web combat belt and suspenders, with a rucksack and ammo pouches. I'm not sure where the idea comes from, that he wore a jumper.TheBaron0530 (talk) 19:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Ouistreham??? ... Fer-get about-it!!!
"Lovat's forces swiftly pressed on, Lovat himself advancing with parts of his brigade from Sword to Pegasus Bridge" .... So swift I guess they skipped their 2nd objective of knocking out various strong points in Ouistreham (the casino in town, the gun battery at the east end of Sword)??? There was no 'swiftly pressing on' ... egads, 'swiftly skipping Ouistreham' is ludicrous. --ManOnPipes (talk) 05:23, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Trimmer is Lovat?
As a lifetime reader of Waugh, I find this assertion ridiculous. Trimmer is a fraud, and a coward in battle, and a Cockney to boot. At one point in Waugh’s saga, Trimmer masquerades as a Scot, and is exposed.

Lovat was none of this. Waugh loathed people who were not what they seemed. Those he exposed, but not those against whom he merely bore a grudge. Compare Colonel Trotter, who is greedy and idle, perhaps a little devious, a rather futile figure. The military shelters many of his sort, yet Waugh makes him almost loveable.

Trimmer, like Hooper in ‘Brideshead Revisited’ was a figure emblematic of Waugh’s loathing of the Common Man and of the Common Man’s exaltation in wartime - and beyond - to positions he was unfit by both birth and ability to fill.

Waugh also published an article (‘People Who Want to Sue Me’) denying that the characters in his fiction were exact portraits of real persons. He refuted it, and rightly, with indignation, the implication being that he lacked the imaginative power to create characters, and merely inserted likenesses.

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