Talk:Simon Grayson

Blackpool graph
I really don't see the point of including a 3-point graph for Grayson's finishes whilst manager of Blackpool. For one, a plot with so few data points doesn't really add much, and the image is so small when in the article that you can't read the numbers. Where is the context? If such a graph is to be included it should be as a continuation of Blackpool's finishes over the years otherwise we don't know if the finishes in Grayson's tenure are higher, lower, or about the same as previously. Additionally, there's no cut-off points between the different divisions, it's not clear as to the precise finishing position, and the top of the position scale is 0! I did delete this image but it was reinstated, so I thought I'd start a discussion about it. Dancarney (talk) 09:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your opinion. The prose can probably be enhanced to accompany the graph more fluently, and I can jazz up the graph. While I'm not sure I can replace "0" with "1" at the top of the axis, I can do it in Photoshop instead of Excel. Your reasons don't justify its exclusion, that's for sure. - Dudesleeper / Talk  11:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree, and you haven't answered my point about context. Additionally, the graph only goes down to 50th place - there are 72 teams in the Football League. Dancarney (talk) 12:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't see any reason why not to use it. It's a useful complementary addition to the text. Peanut4 (talk) 13:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I cropped it to include only the relevant positionings. Are you saying you'd like an even larger version of a graph you don't really want in the first place? - Dudesleeper / Talk  13:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm preparing for any compromises! Only including the "relevant postionings" robs a graph of context - the article Don't draw misleading graphs summarises reasonably why the y axis scale is important. Dancarney (talk) 14:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Having just looked at my source Excel file, it appears I didn't crop the graph at all. Excel rounded down to 50 from 43. If you have the time to work out how to expand the graph down to 72, I'll be happy to e-mail it to you. I don't. - Dudesleeper / Talk  14:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Tap, tap. - Dudesleeper / Talk  00:19, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Right click on the axis, select 'Format Axis', and then set the maximum as 72 and minimum as 1. Dancarney (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Can only get "71" to appear as the maximum, even when "72" is typed in (see updated graph). I'll have a further fiddle when I get a chance. - Dudesleeper / Talk  02:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

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