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GA Status?
Now that the series has ended, and the content should start to be stable, perhaps we should make a goal of bringing the article up to GA status? The one obviously missing piece would be a "themes" section, which really ought to come out of discussions elsewhere rather than being OR here. To that end, there are lively discussions taking place at the AnimeSuki forum (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=29388) and on the "Simoun" and "Yuricon" Yahoo! groups. After a few weeks to a month of coming to a consensus (and writing it up on other web sites), perhaps it can be summarized here. What else needs to be done to make the article GA-worthy? Susan Davis 00:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Rewrite the 40 page long "entire plot, word-for-word, this-section-being-published-singlehandedly-tripled-worldwide-bandwidth-usage" setting and summary pages? That's where I'd start. 206.248.158.128 (talk) 05:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-Simulacran languages
"The speaker in episode 26 was Plumbish, not Argentine. Is the Argentine dialogue from the earlier episodes also reversed? Susan Davis 22:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)" I wasn't sure which ethnicity the person was, as the Plumbish priests translated for both factions. I reversed the dialogue of an Argentine pilot from episode 4, and that's reversed Japanese too. Magus Melchior 01:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

PS2 game?
Shouldn't some mention be made of the future Playstation 2 game? -Aknorals 10:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * List of Simoun media would be the place to put it, if it isn't there already. Susan Davis 05:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Template and userbox
Hi there. I've just started the template and a corresponding self-referencial category. Please, populate it. ^^ If you have a nice non-fair use picture, please, let me know. --Koveras ☭ 09:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Demographic
Add a source, please. :) --Koveras ☭ 14:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Official name translations
As much as it pains me to see "Aaeru" rendered "Aer" in the official sub, AFAIK the rules of anime project state that the official names are to be used if an anime is licensed. I believe we should change it before someone comes along and nominates the article for deletion (what, I've seen pages AfDed for less than that!)... Does anyone have a list of official transliterations? --Koveras ☭ 06:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Aer, Alty, Kaim, Rimone, and Mamina are the ones I remember off the top of my head. When I have more time, I'll check the DVD for the rest.  MayumiTsuji (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)MayumiTsuji
 * I seem to remember that names should be the ones that are most commonly used, not neccessarily the official ones, so if you want to demonstrate that Aaeru is more commonly used than Aer, the names can stay as they are. Manual_of_Style_%28Anime-_and_manga-related_articles%29 backs me up on this. -Malkinann (talk) 04:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You have a point there, Malkinann. Still, it'd be nice to have the official names mentioned once in the article, e.g. in the respective character entries. :) --Koveras ☭ 10:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I decided to update the article to reflect the official English spellings, although I left Rodoreamon and Eri alone, as the way Media Blasters transliterated them (as Roatreamon and Elly) doesn't make a lot of sense. I'll double-check later to make sure I didn't miss anything.  MayumiTsuji (talk) 03:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)MayumiTsuji
 * I think it should be all or nothing in this case: either we stick to the fansub names or to the official transliteration... --Koveras ☭ 10:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All right then, I'll change those too. MayumiTsuji (talk) 18:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)MayumiTsuji

A transliteration is not needed in all cases, especially in the "Aer" vs Aeru case, because in the anime her name is used more than once and the u at the end is always pronounced clearly. If there are rules overwriting the actual name for any reason then these rules are to be abandonded. Using new "official names" because an organization based in an english speaking nation acquired rights to distribute it does not change the names in the original anime. The article is about the anime. Translated versions are only of secondary importance at best. The transcription must be as close to the true name of the character as possible. "Aer" isnt anywhere near that for the english language. The debate is settled as any other set of priorities only serves to disconnect the article from what it tries to describe. Note that basing a judgement on transliteration makes the least sense when we are talking about an anime before manga release. -- Zetawaves (talk) 06:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Quote from the anime manual of style: "Characters should be identified by the names used in the official English releases of the series." Period. I don't like how Media Blasters translated some of the names, too, but those are the editing rules here. If you want them to be "abandoned", please request that on the anime project discussion page. :) --Koveras ☭ 07:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

thank you for the link. i will read the rules, but im not going to bother trying to change the mind of the imbeciles that put these rules into place. it is much easier to abandon wikipedia as run by incompetent, self-important people. i have explained my position. i believe that you even agree with me, but chose to value authority (rules) higher than reason, which is sad. Zetawaves (talk) 20:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't because I firmly believe that manuals of style and combat manuals are written with the blood of those who thought they knew better. :) But I won't start a flame war regarding Wikipedia politics here, because it's pointless. Every place has its rules and you have to respect them if you want to stay. Besides, when I want to write articles the way I want it, I go to Wikia and start my own wiki on the topic. And I actually do, which doesn't mean I have to abandon Wikipedia. --Koveras ☭ 06:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

terms
shouldn't it be noted somewhere about the latin terms used in the anime?
 * tempus spatium - spacetime
 * animus - mind
 * auriga - pilot
 * sagitta - gunner
 * regina - queen
 * aurea - golden

etc. 70.51.8.75 (talk) 10:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd say they should be added after the first mention in the main text in brackets (with lang-la). It's not notable enough for an extra section IMO. --Koveras ☭ 12:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Lesbian relationships
I'm amazed how this article managed to completely avoid using the word 'lesbian'. ^_^ If asked to provide a one-sentence description of this show I'd go for something like lesbian-lolita-priestesses-mass-murdering-enemies-to-the-sound-of-french-elevator-music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arotto (talk • contribs) 12:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The lesbianism in Simoun is a gray area, since the Sibyllae are explicitly not considered women in the setting, hence, their relationships, however close, are not technically lesbian ones. There is one gay couple in the show (both characters are formally male) but no lesbians outside Sybillae. The article does bring up yuri (genre) up, however, which can be considered equivalent. --Koveras ☭ 14:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you can talk your way around the issue all you want, but they author explicitely chose to give the children big boobs and every other asset needed for being a woman. They could have chosen an androgynous look, but no: Boobs! Besides, just because someone says it's a child or a girl and not a woman doesn't change the fact that she is one. And apparently this weird gender issue isn't limited to sybillae ... it's just that the story centers around them. Arotto (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * AFAIU Sybillae cannot give birth, no matter how old they are, thus failing to fulfill the most basic requirement of a female living being. %) --Koveras ☭ 15:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just because someone cannot give birth doesn't mean they are not female, or male, for this matter. The show specifically states that all are born female and then choose their sex. Gender, which ultimately defines whether someone is a lesbian or not depending on your circle, can ultimately define a lesbian or not.  Simoun definitely leaves a gray area with regard to this as there is more flexibility with regards to gender in the Simoun universe then in our world.  Certainly a difficult subject to apply to Simoun. --68.37.4.177 (talk) 17:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Merge with media
Why? --Koveras ☭ 09:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well they're all part of the same series aren't they? And isn't that how most other series do it? Or put a media section in the article? Besides which, it makes it easier to read about the series as a whole. AngelFire3423 (talk) 21:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Per MOS-AM, the media section should be split out if it is very large compared to the rest of the article, which is the case here. Also, e.g. Serial Experiments Lain is an FA, and it only has a section on the media and a link to the media list. --Koveras ☭ 08:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Then, could we put the link to the list of simoun media in more visible location because for the longest time, I never there was any such article? AngelFire3423 (talk) 14:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I ended up revamping both articles. :D Is it better this way? --Koveras ☭ 18:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think its alot better now =]. I'll remove the merger tag. AngelFire3423 (talk) 21:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Revisiting this issue, I still believe the two should be merged. For one, it would give actual body to the main article. Tthe DVD section would largely be moved under the list of episodes section as is done since that also needs more body. The media section can be quite heavily condensed since alot of it rather catelogy based. While I do very much like detailing every single detail about music, alot of the stuff present in the article should been condensed into prose and lose its list like appearance. Books and manga can also be converted to prose. On the whole the entire thing will get massively reduced in size. I will began doing all these changes before actually merging them. AngelFire3423 (talk) 11:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Recent vandalism
However thoroughly amused I've been by the recent vandalism spree in this article, I am afraid I must speak against it. :) Firstly, I would like to present three arguments: Therefore, as you can see, there is nothing wrong with the Reception section in this article. So, secondly, I would like to appeal to the article's most recent anonymous editors to please refrain from vandalizing the page again. :) --Koveras ☭ 16:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Anime News Network's reviews are considered a reliable source by the Anime Project.
 * 2) Erica Friedman's blog is considered a reliable source by the Anime Project on the topics related to yuri.
 * 3) A Reception section is warranted by the Anime Project MOS for all series articles, regardless of particular editors' personal feelings about the subject.


 * All valid arguments. And the reception section, as it presently stands, is much better than that in other articles, to be perfectly honest. Historyday01 (talk) 13:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Tempus Spatium symbol
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I have made this Tempus Spatium symbol in SVG for the userbox and now it's being considered for deletion because it's unused. Do you think it is good/accurate enough to be placed somewhere in the article itself? --Koveras ☭ 11:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No, because it is a non-free image and adding it to the article would be purely decorative. —Farix (t &#124; c) 11:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It is non-free even though I have drawn it? Is the symbol itself copyrighted/trademarked? --Koveras ☭ 20:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The symbol itself is under copyright, and any derived work based on the symbol will also be under the original's copyright. —Farix (t &#124; c) 21:36, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh well, do whatever. --Koveras ☭ 07:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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