Talk:Sinclair Broadcast Group/Archive 1

Clear Channel's comparison to Sinclair
What's the point of this statement?  "SBG has been compared to the radio conglomerate Clear Channel Communications (although it owns TV stations as well as radio stations)." Unless there is a reason offered, then it's a pointless comparison. One does TV and the other does TV and radio. In other words, that is about as comparable as any two media companies. Big deal. I'm deleting. Goeverywhere 23:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

TVX?
Does it seem like Sinclar owns most of the old TVX stations (such as WTVZ)? WAVY 10 16:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

SBGI's financial problems.
While Sinclair Broadcast Group is in financial trouble and could file for bankruptcy protection, let's wait until the actual filing before saying they are in bankruptcy. Steelbeard1 (talk) 11:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

News Operation/Website
Whether or not a Sinclair station has a news operation adds a lot of information regarding that station's staff size and community involvement and is pertinent information under the Sinclair-Owned-Stations section.

Additionally, it is also useful to have links to the stations' websites on a Station Group page like this one.

Whoever deleted both these cells from the "Sinclair Owned Stations" table said the information was easily accessible via each individual stations' websites which was reason for "cleaning up the table". I'd argue that the benefit of this information being listed on the station group's Wikipedia page is in immediate access. Additionally, without providing a link to the websites, the information is much harder to come by. People come to Wikipedia for quick access to information. I've restored the cells to that table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.227.57 (talk) 02:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

That was me, and it is true. Those separate columns for "digital channel" and "virtual channel", as well as adding info for the stations' websites aren't needed here. The same goes for a column on whether or not the station has a news department. All of that information can be found in each of the stations' individual pages. It's too much for the main Sinclair article. It is always best to keep it simple. DreamMcQueen (talk) 03:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Split the station listing to a separate page?

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was split. Jgera5 (talk) 07:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Split. Although I would like to keep it all in one page, I wouldn't mind seeing the SBG one split. The station listing is getting bigger as acquisitions are being announced, and as they get approved/consummated the list will continue to grow. And if approved with the other pending deals, 18 more stations would be added to the list. So I think its best for that segment to be split. - Csworldwide1 (talk) 19:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. The station is quite long now, so it is appropriately so to split it off. Spshu (talk) 21:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Support This discussion has been up long enough, I might work on it later this week when I have time. Jgera5 (talk) 17:54, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Removal of political programming section
May an explanation be given regarding the deletion of the "Political programming" section? The whole section was deleted today (5/8/2017) by an unknown contributor who cited "politically motivated commentary." Has the section been moved to a separate article? Darrel M (talk) 23:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

David D. Smith
Considering creating a separate article on David D. Smith. --Wikipietime (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Circa
Where is the content regarding?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-sinclair-circa-expansion-20170227-story.html

--Wikipietime (talk) 15:38, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I added--Wikipietime (talk) 11:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Sinclair allegedly going to lose their Fox affiliation
http://deadline.com/2017/08/sinclair-broadcasting-shares-slip-report-fox-switch-affiliations-ion-media-1202141471/

Note this article suggests that if Fox signs a deal with ion for affiliation deals. Sinclair was named in this article specifically if Fox signs deal with ion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C400:775B:0:0:0:E5F6 (talk) 21:51, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Split of Tribune buyout
The subsection in itself is getting too big, and has attracted enough mainstream media attention that it warrants being expanded upon and split into its own article. A case could also be made on having Sinclair's history being split into its own article as well, but I want to focus on the Tribune deal. It's pretty much a done deal, but I still suggest adding "proposed" first since it hasn't been officially consummated yet.

Another reason for the split could be the FCC blatantly changing their regulations to favor Sinclair (although some could argue that the changes needing made are overdue anyways) and the changing media landscape as a whole, which could see more "Big Four" O&O's come out of it ultimately, if not the networks moving away from terrestrial television altogether. Thoughts? Jgera5 (talk) 15:27, 25 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Haven't heard any comments and this posting was up for two weeks, so I went ahead and created a new article. Jgera5 (talk) 03:20, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Parentheses
I came to this article after reading about Sinclair in the news. Pretty well researched and written. My main piece of feedback is that there are too many parentheticals, making it difficult to read. The parentheticals should be phased out and sentences should be broken up into smaller, more digestible pieces. I was thinking about tagging the article with copyedit but decided that might be overkill. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 15:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

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http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-sinclair-promo-20180405-story.html

https://www.dailynews.com/2017/05/08/why-a-sinclair-tribune-deal-could-be-bad-news-for-ktla5-employees-viewers-guest-commentary/

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/4/5/17202336/sinclair-broadcasting-promo-deadspin

Updates on the Sinclair issue — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:C4D3:BD4C:D118:1C18 (talk) 21:24, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Reason for notability
I think a prime aspect of Sinclair's notability is it being a threat to our democracy; this is well-referenced with numerous critics on both the left and right parts of the political spectrum (Dan Rather=mainstream; Joe Scarborough=>was GOP congressperson). The danger should be emphasized in the lede section; right now, it's buried near the bottom.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:09, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a WP:WEIGHT issue. The opinion that the Sinclair Broadcast Group is a threat to American democracy is held by some critics, but that's not why Sinclair is notable. Sinclair has been operating for 46 years and is a major force in local news operations across the country. I also don't think there's any argument to be made that Joe Scarborough represents either the GOP or conservatism in any capacity at all, although that's not all that relevant imho. The final sentence of the lede lays out the concerns of critics in direct reference to the journalistic responsibility promos, which is a sufficient summary. Mr. Daniel Plainview (talk) 14:51, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

"This is extremely dangerous to our Democracy."
All these local media outlets/channels becoming owned by one company? I wonder what this could mean. 2601:40D:4400:CE20:4147:B16D:78B8:DBF7 (talk) 01:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure of the origin of this video.



Here on 31 March a small YouTube account called D published this. I do not know if D made the video or if it came from elsewhere. Boing Boing linked to D's version on 1 April.



 Blue Rasberry  (talk)  00:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/112604/ksnvs-nd-defends-sinclairs-promo

Now a Las Vegas Sinclair News Director speaks up on the company video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:0:0:0:8394 (talk) 22:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

https://deadspin.com/how-i-made-a-dumb-video-making-fun-of-sinclair-broadcas-1825106452

Now Deadspin staff member comes forward on why he made the Sinclair compilation video and supposedly initially for the dumbness of the video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:0:0:0:54AE (talk) 22:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/112705/sinclair-stations-release-video-attacking-cnn

Update now Sinclair goes after CNN in a rant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.51.131.145 (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Could you please submit the content that you would like to put in the article? I don't think this is a place to leave various links with commentary. Mr. Daniel Plainview (talk) 16:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Sinclair on the Hot Seat over Jaime Allman's Rape threat on David Hogg
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/09/sinclair-commentator-resigns-after-threatening-to-sexually-assault-parkland-survivor-david-hogg/?utm_term=.fd305b99e8ef

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sinclair-host-resigns-threatening-assault-david-hogg-article-1.3924723

A new scandal has hit Sinclair over one of their pundits Jamie Allman calling for a rape threat on David Hogg according to the Washington Post and New york Daily news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.130.165 (talk) 01:48, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

http://deadline.com/2018/04/sinclair-tv-host-quits-sexually-assault-david-hogg-parkland-activist-1202361411/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/09/david-hogg-sinclair-jamie-allman/501489002/

Update 4 Media outlets NY Daily News, Washington Post, Deadline and USA today specified that the Allman Report airs one one of Sinclairs stations out in St. Louis KNDL-TV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:429F:87FF:FE0B:3663 (talk) 04:45, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/jamie-allman-taken-off-his-kftk-talk-show-at-least/article_809ee913-14df-5fa0-9e84-f32e9cb243a0.html

https://radioinsight.com/headlines/167725/kftks-jaime-allman-creates-another-social-media-induced-headache-for-entercom/

Update now Jaime Allman's radio show is being affected by the David Hogg rant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:429F:87FF:FE0B:3663 (talk) 21:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

My take here is the Fallout is going to escalate

http://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/allman-report-canceled-after-tweet-about-school-shooting-survivor/63-536774826

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/09/sinclair-commentator-resigns-after-threatening-to-sexually-assault-parkland-survivor-david-hogg/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a8079f0e9f2d https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jamie-allman-sinclair-canceled-hot-poker-david-hogg/ https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/10/601117504/sinclair-tv-host-resigns-after-vulgar-tweet-threatening-parkland-survivor

More updates on the Jaime Allman scandal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:429F:87FF:FE0B:3663 (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/a-conservative-commentator-has-resigned-after-tweeting?utm_term=.bp9l9led1l#.jxVpEpGzQp Update Buzzfeed is reporting that Jaime Allman radio show has terminated too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:0:0:0:B708 (talk) 04:30, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Could you please submit the content that you would like to put in the article? I don't think this is a place to leave various links with commentary. Mr. Daniel Plainview (talk) 16:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/382893-senators-ask-fcc-to-probe-sinclair-for-news-distortion-operation

http://deadline.com/2018/04/fcc-chairman-rejects-senators-request-review-sinclairs-broadcast-license-1202363588/

Update on the FCC review on Sinclair — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:429F:87FF:FE0B:3663 (talk) 15:01, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Linking to Amy Schumer twice in section
I really don't think we need two links in the same section for Amy Schumer. --Malerooster (talk) 23:16, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And do we really need to link to the word interview right after her name? Not sure that helps and I wouldn't link to it. --Malerooster (talk) 23:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Dual links are needed as per WP:IAR since some people read the text, while others only check out the images.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Huh. Needed? others only check out the images? Citing IAR over a trivial MOS duplicate link? This project is for grown ups. Please stop. Also, why was it necessary to link "interview"?--Malerooster (talk) 23:28, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Your statement above ("for grown ups") is a personal attack. So is calling another contributor dumb. I've given rational arguments for the wikilinks; all you've offered is ad hominem attacks.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok fine, then see WP:CIR. Also what was the rational argument for this?--Malerooster (talk) 23:54, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE level of merge
An AFD discussion was held and consensus was to merge per Articles for deletion/Boycott of Sinclair Broadcasting Group. This does not mean that the entire contents of that article belong here. Reading through the comments of that AFD, it is clear that the consensus is that this boycott info needs to be stripped of POV and deserves only a proportional weight in comparison to the main story (the "integrity videos"). Probably not more than one paragraph. In addition, the inclusion of a certain external link for "Boycott Sinclair Broadcasting" is against WP:NPOV and WP:LINKSTOAVOID, being that it is primary an activist website, not an informational one. -- Netoholic @ 04:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Netoholic, you put Boycott of Sinclair Broadcasting Group up for deletion. The decision by Szzuk was merge not delete. When I merged the content (removing duplications), you undid the merge, effectively deleting the boycott article. Come on. Please play by the rules and restore the merged content.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:23, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. I closed the AfD and I'm comfortable with the merge consensus - we're now into an editorial dispute in which I won't directly intervene. However I can see both points of view - having no merged content appears to be against the spirit of the close but having it all may appear Undue. My suggestion as a compromise is to have 2 paragraphs. Szzuk (talk) 14:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * All this talk of a boycott hit the press and died out within the span of about April 1-4. The only sources after that timeframe you added mentioning the boycott were "letters to the editor" from non-journalists - not reliable sources and not NPOV. That poor sourcing, overkill on length, and the external activism link, point toward more of a desire to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS than to report on this subject with appropriate WP:WEIGHT and neutrality. -- Netoholic @ 22:16, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

The 40% contract penalty by Sinclair
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sinclair-making-employees-sign-highly-problematic-contracts-legal-experts-say?source=articles&via=rss

http://www.dailyherald.com/business/20180403/sinclair-employees-say-contracts-make-it-too-expensive-to-quit

Here are 2 updates from Daily Herald and the Daily Beast These 2 outlets are reporting that the reason Sinclair employees can't speak up on the issues involving their leaders Scott Livingston, David D. Smith and their News Directors is because of the penalties written in their talent contracts.

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/4/5/17202336/sinclair-broadcasting-promo-deadspin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:429F:87FF:FE0B:3663 (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stevenperlberg/sinclair-climate-change?utm_term=.qxEpLMx9PQ#.qig8pR7wXM

More employees come forward on Sinclair's business practices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:0:0:0:8C2F (talk) 14:46, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Rumors that Sinclair will compete against Fox News
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sinclair-laying-groundwork-fox-news-competitor-1114176

An Article in the Hollywood Reporter is indicating that Sinclair Officials are attempting to Challenge Fox News for Right Wing audiences. and its being speculated due to the Tribune/Sinclair Deal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C600:8270:90F7:1BFC:C8BA:43CE (talk) 17:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Plandemic
The article should include how this organization is pushing provably untrue conspiracy theories about the coronavirus: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/media/sinclair-fauci-conspiracy-bolling/index.html. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:41, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Done.  starship .paint  (talk) 09:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


 * It appears this interview never actually aired on television, despite being posted online.  Video of the segment was posted to local Sinclair websites last week before its planned airing over the weekend. The videos have since been pulled and people trying to access them on local Sinclair websites are met with error pages. More importantly, does it actually warrant discussion in this article, let alone its own devoted subheading? WP:RECENTISM and WP:PROPORTIONATE and WP:VNOTSUFF should be studied. My opinion is that it warrants at most a brief mention, if at all, in this article, and not its own subheading.  Many sources reported on plans to air the interview on TV, but breaking news stories are considered primary sources and may be unreliable, even if many outlets report on it (see WP:RSBREAKING), especially when they report on what people or companies plan or hope to do, and should be replaced by subsequent sources more removed from the event that verify and contextualize what actually happened (WP:AGE MATTERS). This section misleadingly ends with "Sinclair delaying the television release of the interview by around a week" and implies it would go ahead with airing the segment with "additional context", based largely on breaking news. I also question the logic of nesting the subsection under "Political views". I recognize the COVID-19 pandemic personally affects virtually everyone in the world (including, especially, Wikipedians) which makes evaluating recentism and relevance difficult.  --Animalparty! (talk) 19:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Cuts in and out
Why can't I get you channel in in Bremen it cuts in and out and I am only 20 miles from south bend cuts out on a clear day 174.240.251.39 (talk) 01:52, 15 June 2022 (UTC)