Talk:Sinclair Community College/Archive 1

Rewritten proposed language regarding Sinclair Academics section. From COI sbennish
I hope this will be a more direct and clear proposed addition to the Academics section of the Sinclair Community College article Spintendo ᔦᔭ. Again, I regret any confusion.

I'd like to again offer more simplified and direct language to the Academics section to clarify the basic academic structure of the college. I would propose that the following language appear below the sentence under the Accreditation heading that currently states: "Sinclair is authorized to grant associate degrees in arts, sciences, applied science, and individualized and technical study."

Please note this link to the Ohio Department of Higher Education confirms the information. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college:

Here is the proposed language:

Sinclair, a two-year college, has academic divisions of Liberal Arts, Communication & Social Sciences; Health Sciences; Business & Public Services; and Science, Mathematics & Engineering. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/divisions/ Sinclair also offers certificate programs in short-term study in fields that include health care, automotive technology, social services, marketing, public safety and IT, among others. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/ Sinclair's online learning program has more than 200 courses for students to earn academic degrees and certificates. Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/ http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/ Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

College Credit Plus (CCP) is a program for students in grades 7-12 to take college courses for free and earn high school or college credit. Approximately 4,303 students are enrolled in CCP courses from Sinclair in Fiscal Year 2016-17. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/k12/ccp/ http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/

Sinclair offers education for employers and employees as part of its Workforce Development program. Education is provided in professional development, project management, IT and cyber security, advanced manufacturing, unmanned aerial systems, fire and emergency services, health sciences and bio sciences, among others. Sinclair Community College. http://workforce.sinclair.edu/course-catalog/ Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

According to the Dayton Business Journal, in January 2018, the "college reported overall enrollment at the school has increased by 3 percent to 5 percent from last spring, and more than 19,000 undergraduate students are currently attending Sinclair." The Journal added: "Sinclair plays a pivotal role in creating workers for Dayton-area companies across all industries. And with workforce shortages among the top issues facing businesses, growth at Sinclair could translate to a larger workforce pool."

Dayton Business Journal. https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2018/01/08/enrollment-up-at-sinclair-online-enrollment-and.html

https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

Here, again, I would suggest these stories in the general media over a period of many years that shows Sinclair efforts at preparing students for future employment. I would hope that would satisfy the request for further information regarding academic programs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/business/15college.html

http://wdtn.com/2017/08/31/sinclair-prepares-student-for-real-world-with-new-health-sciences-center/

https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2017/04/18/sinclair-plans-enrollment-growth-campus-revival.html

https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2017/11/29/dayton-college-requests-funds-for-new.html

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-new-health-sciences-center-opens-for-first-classes/LxOFeNCec973LSTEUhVLHK/

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/local-education/two-year-degrees-can-offer-high-pay-rewards/MuO7vQ12IzCEqB7mboMcWK/

Sbennish (talk) 01:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

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✅   Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   02:24, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed additions to Intro section for Sinclair Community College by COI sbennish
Thank you again Spintendo ᔦᔭ for your help.

Here are proposed additions to the Intro section of the Sinclair Community College article to update information. I would propose the following paragraphs appear below the paragraph that begins with: "Sinclair Community College is an urban community college located in downtown Dayton, Ohio."

Sinclair’s tuition, fees and estimated student expenses of $2,476 per year for county residents ranks well below similar Ohio institutions, said CollegeCalc.org, based on 2016/2017 data from the U.S. Department of Education.

http://www.collegecalc.org/colleges/ohio/sinclair-community-college/ and https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?id=205470#expenses

In 2015, Sinclair released data showing that students who complete degrees see their annual earnings increase from a median of $17,000 to $37,000. That figure rises to $50,000 for those with a health care industry degree.

Two-year degrees can offer high-pay rewards, Dayton Daily News, Oct. 18, 2015. http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/local-education/two-year-degrees-can-offer-high-pay-rewards/MuO7vQ12IzCEqB7mboMcWK/

Sinclair is engaged in improving student graduation rates. These initiatives are supported by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. In 2011, Sinclair shared a $500,000 grant with two other Ohio colleges from the foundation to continue the effort.

Sinclair to share $500K Gates Foundation grant, Dayton Business Journal, https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2011/05/24/sinclair-to-share-500k-gates-foundation.html

Less than a third of those who had enrolled in 1999 earned degrees or certificates, transferred or continued to be enrolled with progress toward a credential by 2003. By the 2009-13 period, the number rose to 56 percent, a 75 percent increase, Inside Higher Ed reported.

Phase Two of Completion, Inside Higher Ed, June 2, 2015. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/02/sinclair-community-colleges-15-years-completion-projects-pay

By enrollment, Sinclair ranks fifth in the state of Ohio among all institutions of higher education. College Stats.org. https://collegestats.org/colleges/ohio/largest/

Sinclair has a diverse student body that reflects communities in the region. According to the Community College Review the school’s minority enrollment is 28 percent compared to a statewide average of 27 percent. https://www.communitycollegereview.com/sinclair-community-college-profile)

Its Workforce Development Division has been named No. 1 in the region by the Dayton Business Journal for training area employees through business partnerships.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/subscriber-only/2015/07/10/workforce-development-programs.html

According to the Dayton Business Journal, in January 2018, the "college reported overall enrollment at the school has increased by 3 percent to 5 percent from last spring, and more than 19,000 undergraduate students are currently attending Sinclair." The Journal added: "Sinclair plays a pivotal role in creating workers for Dayton-area companies across all industries. And with workforce shortages among the top issues facing businesses, growth at Sinclair could translate to a larger workforce pool." Dayton Business Journal. https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2018/01/08/enrollment-up-at-sinclair-online-enrollment-and.html

The college describes its core strategy as education that embodies “quality and innovation, sustainable, accessible and community aligned" values. http://strategy.sinclair.edu/

Sbennish (talk) 14:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

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Sinclair’s tuition, fees and estimated student expenses of $2,476 per year for county residents ranks well below similar Ohio institutions, said CollegeCalc.org, based on 2016/2017 data from the U.S. Department of Education. per WP:NOTACATALOG

_________ In 2015, Sinclair released data showing that students who complete degrees see their annual earnings increase from a median of $17,000 to $37,000. That figure rises to $50,000 for those with a health care industry degree. This data is noteworthy in the article on Community colleges, but not on the school itself. Also the data comes from Sinclair. _________

Sinclair is engaged in improving student graduation rates. "Engagement" is non specific, and there are no details provided. The comment on its own says nothing except about the college's intent, and intent is not encyclopedic.

_________ These initiatives are supported by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. In 2011, Sinclair shared a $500,000 grant with two other Ohio colleges from the foundation to continue the effort.

_________ Less than a third of those who had enrolled in 1999 earned degrees or certificates, transferred or continued to be enrolled with progress toward a credential by 2003. By the 2009-13 period, the number rose to 56 percent, a 75 percent increase, Inside Higher Ed reported. Decision pending: Seeking second opinion. _________

By enrollment, Sinclair ranks fifth in the state of Ohio among all institutions of higher education. Added to the lead. _________ Sinclair has a diverse student body that reflects communities in the region. According to the Community College Review the school’s minority enrollment is 28 percent compared to a statewide average of 27 percent. Upon further review this will be declined. According to the partner of Community Colleges Review.com, Boarding School Revew.com, their user terms state, in part :"Schools directly update the information on our site at regular intervals, to help provide the most current data for families."This is not the level of independence that Wikipedia guidance suggests using for references claimed in COI edit requests. Sinclair's ability to directly influence the figures and data put forth by Community Colleges Review.com makes it fail as a WP:RS. _________

Its Workforce Development Division has been named No. 1 in the region by the Dayton Business Journal for training area employees through business partnerships. per WP:PEACOCK _________ According to the Dayton Business Journal, in January 2018, the "college reported overall enrollment at the school has increased by 3 percent to 5 percent from last spring, and more than 19,000 undergraduate students are currently attending Sinclair."

_________

The Journal added: "Sinclair plays a pivotal role in creating workers for Dayton-area companies across all industries. And with workforce shortages among the top issues facing businesses, growth at Sinclair could translate to a larger workforce pool." per WP:PEACOCK _________ The college describes its core strategy as education that embodies “quality and innovation, sustainable, accessible and community aligned" values.   Added to infobox

✅ See quotebox above for additional information regarding your request. Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   16:55, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Location of Sinclair student enrollment breakdown from coi writer Sbennish
Please place this sentence below the first sentence in the Intro.

Sinclair has a diverse student body that reflects communities in the region. According to the Community College Review the school’s minority enrollment is 28 percent compared to a statewide average of 27 percent.

https://www.communitycollegereview.com/sinclair-community-college-profile) Sbennish (talk) 17:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

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Upon further review this will be declined. According to the partner of Community Colleges Review.com, Boarding School Revew.com, their user terms state, in part :"Schools directly update the information on our site at regular intervals, to help provide the most current data for families."This is not the level of independence that Wikipedia guidance suggests using for references claimed in COI edit requests. Sinclair's ability to directly influence the figures and data put forth by Community Colleges Review.com makes it fail as a WP:RS. Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   17:37, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

note
I reviewed this article at the request of Spintendo and removed a bunch of stuff that was sourced only to the college's website.

Wikipedia articles need to be based primarily on what independent sources say about things. An article sourced almost entirely from the organization that the article is about, is not longer a Wikipedia but just a proxy for the organization's website. That is not what we do here. Jytdog (talk) 02:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Sinclair enrollment ranking in intro section proposal from coi sbennish
Please consider placing this as the last sentence in the intro section. Thank you.

Sinclair by enrollment ranks fifth in the state of Ohio among all institutions of higher education. College Stats.org. https://collegestats.org/colleges/ohio/largest/

Sbennish (talk) 17:34, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

✅  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   17:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Single campus?
I added the fact that Sinclair has currently opened the satellite location located in Englewood, however, would be then be necessary to remove the fact that Sinclair is only a single campus? Would the satellite location be considered a second campus? -RiSK
 * I don't know if it's a "campus" or just a "satellite location". I don't know what the criteria is for calling a location a campus. But the intro has been adjusted a bit now to avoid saying that it's a single campus. This interferes with the claim about it being "one of the largest" community college campuses, though. We need verification of that. —mjb 22:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Ideas for improvement
Is any information available about the history of the main campus? Its architecture has always been interesting to me. Was the campus ever written about in the Dayton Daily News? (And wasn't there another Dayton newspaper way back when?) Surely the college's initial construction got some press. I'm guessing the recent renovations to the library got a mention as well. Were there any notable additions to the campus over the years? Get some references and add this info to the article!

Other details that might be of interest:
 * How was the college founded?
 * Any books written about Sinclair or its founders?
 * Any other noteworthy Sinclair events covered in the press?
 * Negative news or criticisms covered in the press?
 * Sources and percentages or amounts of public & private funding, past and present
 * Any organized sports? intramural?
 * Any notable former students?
 * When did it get its various accreditations?
 * Any sister colleges?
 * What percentage of students graduate with degrees or certificates?
 * What percentage of students transfer to 4-year colleges/universities?
 * What percentage of students are non-degree-seeking (continuing ed.)?
 * How long does the average student attend Sinclair?

Just a few things off the top of my head…—mjb (talk) 02:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Why the reference to the "List of largest United States universities by enrollment"?
Sinclair Community College is not on that list. Omc (talk) 04:11, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Good question. That see also has been removed an replaced with one more appropriate.Texas141 (talk) 09:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed new section for Sinclair Community College by COI writer sbennish
I am Steve Bennish, a paid writer now under contract by Sinclair Community College in Dayton, Ohio. I am tasked with updating the Sinclair Community College Wikipedia article and will make proposed additions in the Talk section for editing. Here is a proposed addition, to create a new section on Sinclair Community College athletics. Please place this following the accreditation section.

 Athletics

Sinclair’s athletic program offers varsity level competition in five areas: men’s baseball and basketball and women’s basketball, softball and volleyball. Sinclair competes in Region XII of the National Junior College Athletic Association, playing teams in the Midwest. Sinclair is also a participating member of the Ohio Community College Athletic Conference. In 2016, the men’s baseball team finished the season in third place at the NJCAA Division II College World Series. http://sinclairathletics.com/sports/bsb/2015-16/releases/3rd_Place

In October, 2017, Sinclair inaugurated the athletic Hall of Fame by inducting former coaches Jim Harrison and Linda O’Keefe, both posthumously. Jim Harrison was Sinclair Head Baseball Coach from 1988-2002 and Assistant Baseball Coach from 2003-2008. Linda O’Keefe served as Head Women’s Basketball Coach from 1978-2003, Head Women’s Tennis Coach from 1979-1998 and Assistant Athletic Director from 2000-2003. Harrison won four conference titles, sent players to scholarships at four-year schools and sent some into the professional sports. Chris Spurling, the school’s first big leaguer, was drafted by the New York Yankees and played as a relief pitcher for the Detroit Tigers and Milwaukee Brewers. O’Keefe, who coached Sinclair tennis for 19 seasons, had 18 teams in national tournaments. Under her coaching she counted a national singles champ, Julie Quamme, and a national runner-up, Chris Burkhardt. O’Keefe is in the National Junior College Athletic Association Hall of Fame for her accomplishments. “Archdeacon: Two Sinclair legends are school’s first Hall of Famers,” Dayton Daily News, Oct. 19, 2017. http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/sports/archdeacon-two-sinclair-legends-are-school-first-hall-famers/76axPfPcwRMQr86qQdbCNM/

The college’s Physical Activities Center features a 38,000 square foot field house that is the main practice facility of the baseball team. It has three tennis courts, five badminton courts, a swimming pool, indoor cycling area, golf cage, batting cages, a full size infield, pitching mounds and a running track. It has hosted the United States Badminton Championships, NJCAA Regional and Conference Indoor Tennis Championships, Stan Saliski's Winter Baseball Camp, The University of Dayton and Wright State University baseball teams, and Sinclair's Indoor Baseball and Softball Tournaments. http://sinclairathletics.com/information/facilities#gym — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbennish (talk • contribs) ````

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Athletics Sinclair’s athletic program offers varsity level competition in five areas: men’s baseball and basketball and women’s basketball, softball and volleyball. Sinclair competes in Region XII of the National Junior College Athletic Association, playing teams in the Midwest. Sinclair is also a participating member of the Ohio Community College Athletic Conference. ✅ This information is standard and comparable to that used in other articles.

In 2016, the men’s baseball team finished the season in third place at the NJCAA Division II College World Series. http://sinclairathletics.com/sports/bsb/2015-16/releases/3rd_Place

In October, 2017, Sinclair inaugurated the athletic Hall of Fame by inducting former coaches Jim Harrison and Linda O’Keefe, both posthumously. Jim Harrison was Sinclair Head Baseball Coach from 1988-2002 and Assistant Baseball Coach from 2003-2008. Linda O’Keefe served as Head Women’s Basketball Coach from 1978-2003, Head Women’s Tennis Coach from 1979-1998 and Assistant Athletic Director from 2000-2003. Harrison won four conference titles, sent players to scholarships at four-year schools and sent some into the professional sports. Chris Spurling, the school’s first big leaguer, was drafted by the New York Yankees and played as a relief pitcher for the Detroit Tigers and Milwaukee Brewers. O’Keefe, who coached Sinclair tennis for 19 seasons, had 18 teams in national tournaments. Under her coaching she counted a national singles champ, Julie Quamme, and a national runner-up, Chris Burkhardt. O’Keefe is in the National Junior College Athletic Association Hall of Fame for her accomplishments. ❌Declined per WP:ORGAWARDS

The college’s Physical Activities Center features a 38,000 square foot field house that is the main practice facility of the baseball team. It has three tennis courts, five badminton courts, a swimming pool, indoor cycling area, golf cage, batting cages, a full size infield, pitching mounds and a running track. It has hosted the United States Badminton Championships, NJCAA Regional and Conference Indoor Tennis Championships, Stan Saliski's Winter Baseball Camp, The University of Dayton and Wright State University baseball teams, and Sinclair's Indoor Baseball and Softball Tournaments. http://sinclairathletics.com/information/facilities#gym

✅ Please see individual comments for more information about your request. Also, please be sure to sign all posts left on the talk page by placing 4 tildes ~. Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   05:56, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Reconsideration of Sinclair Community College athletic facility details by COI writer sbennish
Hello. Thank you very much for your earlier edit. Here again is the paragraph about Sinclair athletic facilities. References are below to underscore how significant the Activities Center is for local community events and education, including student use of the space as a UAV flight training site.

The college’s Physical Activities Center features a 38,000 square foot field house that is the main practice facility of the baseball team. It has three tennis courts, five badminton courts, a swimming pool, indoor cycling area, golf cage, batting cages, a full size infield, pitching mounds and a running track. It has hosted the United States Badminton Championships, NJCAA Regional and Conference Indoor Tennis Championships, Stan Saliski's Winter Baseball Camp, The University of Dayton and Wright State University baseball teams, and Sinclair's Indoor Baseball and Softball Tournaments. The field house has been used to train students to fly Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. http://sinclairathletics.com/information/facilities#gym (Symbol opinion vote.svg Comment: This information may be added if additional third party sources are provided showing these facilities significance to the community. For example, local media covering the opening of these facilities.) http://wdtn.com/2014/10/22/sinclair-flying-drones-indoors/ http://www.riversideresearch.org/news-media/news/young-pilots-take-flight-dayton-both-manned-and-unmanned-aircraft http://www.daytonclassics.com/news_article/show/734342?referrer_id=2005180 https://dronelife.com/2014/10/27/sinclair-community-college-sees-uas-payoff-future-jobs/ http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-moves-forward-with-plan-improve-campus/prptawcGvgo6QB71ZaTmKO/ http://sinclairathletics.com/information/facilities#gym

Sbennish (talk) 13:19, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for providing these URL's. The only reference of note is from the Dayton Daily news, and it speaks about future plans that the college has for its facilities. This is not likely to be acceptable, per WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. Once these facilities have been built, and third party sources cover the fact that they were built, then this may be added to the article. Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   10:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed details for Academics section of Sinclair Community College article from COI writer sbennish
Academics

Sinclair is a two-year college with four academic divisions: Liberal Arts, Communication & Social Sciences; Health Sciences; Business & Public Services; and Science, Mathematics & Engineering. Sinclair students may opt for an associate degree or a certificate. The programs are designed to allow students to prepare for future employment or continued education at a four-year institution.

http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/divisions/

The full listing of degree programs is available online at: http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/degrees/

Certificate programs prepare students for a particular career, but not at the level for an associate degree. The certificate programs include general and short-term technical certificates. The technical certificates are industry focused and designed for workforce preparation. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/ The full listing of certificate programs is available online at: http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/

Sinclair offers online learning with academic degrees and certificates, including more than 200 online courses. Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/

The full listing of online courses is available online at: http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/

College Credit Plus (CCP) is a program for students in grades 7-12 that allows them to take college courses for free and earn high school or college credit before graduating from high school. Approximately 4,303 students are enrolled in CCP courses from Sinclair in Fiscal Year 2016-17, realizing a tuition savings.

More information is available online at: http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/k12/ccp/

Sinclair’s Workforce Development programs are aimed at employers and employees. The programs include organizational and professional development, project management, IT and cyber security, advanced manufacturing, unmanned aerial systems, fire and emergency services, health sciences and bio sciences, among others. http://workforce.sinclair.edu/course-catalog/

A full listing of offerings is available online here: http://workforce.sinclair.edu/

Facts about Sinclair's academic programs can be found here: http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/

Sbennish (talk) 15:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Please see the template box above for more information about your request. Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   10:17, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Reconsideration of proposed edit Academics for Sinclair Community College from COI writer sbennish
Thank you for your consideration and direction Spintendo ᔦᔭ. I hope the following is helpful.

I would ask that this new material below, a basic description of course offerings, be placed under the bold face heading of "Academics." This heading would be placed below the "Campus" heading and above the heading "Accreditation." The fact box link below supports the details about the programs. There are no deletions or substitutions suggested at this time. Thank you again for your help.

Academics

Sinclair is a two-year college with four academic divisions: Liberal Arts, Communication & Social Sciences; Health Sciences; Business & Public Services; and Science, Mathematics & Engineering. Sinclair students may opt for an associate degree or a certificate. The programs are designed to allow students to prepare for future employment or continued education at a four-year institution.

http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/divisions/

The full listing of degree programs is available online at: http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/degrees/

Certificate programs prepare students for a particular career, but not at the level for an associate degree. The certificate programs include general and short-term technical certificates. The technical certificates are industry focused and designed for workforce preparation. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/ The full listing of certificate programs is available online at: http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/

Sinclair offers online learning with academic degrees and certificates, including more than 200 online courses. Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/

The full listing of online courses is available online at: http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/

College Credit Plus (CCP) is a program for students in grades 7-12 that allows them to take college courses for free and earn high school or college credit before graduating from high school. Approximately 4,303 students are enrolled in CCP courses from Sinclair in Fiscal Year 2016-17, realizing a tuition savings.

More information is available online at: http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/k12/ccp/

Sinclair’s Workforce Development programs are aimed at employers and employees. The programs include organizational and professional development, project management, IT and cyber security, advanced manufacturing, unmanned aerial systems, fire and emergency services, health sciences and bio sciences, among others. http://workforce.sinclair.edu/course-catalog/

A full listing of offerings is available online here: http://workforce.sinclair.edu/

Facts about Sinclair's academic programs can be found here: http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/

Sbennish (talk) 15:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Sbennish (talk) 12:55, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   13:58, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) "More information is available online at:" The way this information is worded is unencyclopedic in tone.
 * 2) "Approximately 4,303 students are enrolled in CCP courses from Sinclair in Fiscal Year 2016-17, realizing a tuition savings. While the students are realizing a tuition savings, this proposal is realizing a promotional tone.
 * 3) "Sinclair’s Workforce Development programs are aimed at employers and employees. The programs include organizational and professional development, project management, IT and cyber security, advanced manufacturing, unmanned aerial systems, fire and emergency services, health sciences and bio sciences, among others. http://workforce.sinclair.edu/course-catalog/" All of these sources describe the contents and conventions of Sinclair College according to Sinclair College. The economy and convenience of having the subject describe itself notwithstanding, it would be to the college's advantage to provide sourcing from outside of itself.

Proposed additions for Sinclair Community College article Campus section from COI sbennish
Please add the following lines to update the article under the Campus heading. These lines would appear below the third paragraph of the current text.

In 2013 Sinclair purchased a 3.4 acre addition to the Courseview Campus Center in Mason, a move designed to allow the site to eventually serve 10,000 students. This was a part of $7 million spent by the Sinclair Foundation and the college to expand the Mason campus.

) Sinclair buys more acres to expand its Mason campus, Dayton Daily News, Jan. 7, 2013. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-buys-more-acres-expand-its-mason-campus/Ee93CYrHpXbv2gyTVnMeCN/

Also in 2013 the college opened a second Mason facility, "Building B," on the Courseview Campus, doubling the campus’ capacity. Sinclair to open second building in Mason, Dayton Daily News, Oct. 30, 2013. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-open-second-building-mason/WoC9UcwWe7YB4dKXMAGyWP/

Sbennish (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * 1) Please provide third party sources which speak to the land purchased as having been already developed (i.e., something written after the land was purchased and developed and which speaks to how that land is now currently used) whilst also speaking to how that development either affected or is affecting student access, enrollment, or productivity.
 * 2) Besides basing the information more properly in the here and now, the mentioning of those qualities has the effect of offering readers of the article a much greater context with which to envision Sinclair College in its role as an educational facility, rather than as mere purchaser of land.
 * Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   14:17, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Rewrite of Academics section for Sinclair Community College by COI writer sbennish
Thank you again for your consideration and direction Spintendo ᔦᔭ. I hope this rework will meet the standards for inclusion.

I would ask that this new material below, a basic description of course offerings, be placed under the bold face heading of "Academics." This heading would be placed below the "Campus" heading and above the heading "Accreditation." The fact box link below supports the details about the programs. There are no deletions or substitutions suggested at this time. Thank you again for your help.

Academics

Sinclair is a two-year college with four academic divisions: Liberal Arts, Communication & Social Sciences; Health Sciences; Business & Public Services; and Science, Mathematics & Engineering. The programs are designed to allow students to prepare for future employment or continued education at a four-year institution.

http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/divisions/

Certificate programs prepare students for a particular career. The certificate programs include general and short-term technical certificates. The technical certificates are industry focused and designed for workforce preparation. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/

Sinclair offers online learning with academic degrees and certificates, including more than 200 online courses. Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/

College Credit Plus (CCP) is a program for students in grades 7-12 that allows them to take college courses for free and earn high school or college credit before graduating from high school. Approximately 4,303 students are enrolled in CCP courses from Sinclair in Fiscal Year 2016-17. Sinclair also offers Workforce Development programs for employers and employees. The programs include organizational and professional development, project management, IT and cyber security, advanced manufacturing, unmanned aerial systems, fire and emergency services, health sciences and bio sciences, among others.

http://workforce.sinclair.edu/course-catalog/

According to the Dayton Business Journal, in January 2018, the "college reported overall enrollment at the school has increased by 3 percent to 5 percent from last spring, and more than 19,000 undergraduate students are currently attending Sinclair." The Journal added: "Sinclair plays a pivotal role in creating workers for Dayton-area companies across all industries. And with workforce shortages among the top issues facing businesses, growth at Sinclair could translate to a larger workforce pool." Sinclair has more than 100 formal agreements with area high schools, allowing high school students to attend Sinclair with no tuition or book costs."

Facts about Sinclair's academic programs can be found here: http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/

Additional supporting third party references: https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2018/01/08/enrollment-up-at-sinclair-online-enrollment-and.html https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2017/04/18/sinclair-plans-enrollment-growth-campus-revival.html https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

```` per WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   20:14, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Rewrite of Sinclair Community College Campus update, with additional reference by COI sbennish
Thank you again for the helpful suggestion on the rewrite. Here is my rewrite. Please add the following lines to update the article under the Campus heading. These lines would appear below the third paragraph of the current text.

In 2013 Sinclair purchased a 3.4 acre addition to the Courseview Campus Center in Mason, a move designed to allow the site to eventually serve 10,000 students. This was a part of $7 million spent by the Sinclair Foundation and the college to expand the Mason campus.

) Sinclair buys more acres to expand its Mason campus, Dayton Daily News, Jan. 7, 2013. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-buys-more-acres-expand-its-mason-campus/Ee93CYrHpXbv2gyTVnMeCN/

Also in 2013 the college opened a second Mason facility, "Building B," on the Courseview Campus, doubling the campus’ capacity. Sinclair to open second building in Mason, Dayton Daily News, Oct. 30, 2013. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-open-second-building-mason/WoC9UcwWe7YB4dKXMAGyWP/

In August of 2016, Sinclair Community College and the University of Cincinnati signed a partnership allowing Sinclair students attending the Mason campus to pursue a bachelor's degree in Information Technology at UC and complete an associate’s degree, undergraduate degree, master’s degree and three semesters of full-time, paid work experience at the Sinclair-Mason campus, the Dayton Daily News reported.

Additional academic degree collaborative agreements between Sinclair and UC followed.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local-education/university-cincinnati-sinclair-begin-tech-partnership-mason/71LNi94ecTtMZhllvvkphO/

http://www.uc.edu/news/NR.aspx?id=23672

http://www.newsrecord.org/sinclair-community-college-pact-reached/article_36feba26-4151-5704-980b-5ac76bf6791a.html

Sbennish (talk) 15:14, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Instances within this source indicate that the information was provided directly from the college, and was not verified by the staff reporter. This is simply the college issuing a press release via the Daytona Daily News, and Daytona's reporters are aware of this. The ethics of their profession requires them to indicate this fact through their reporting — which, as you can see, these reporters in two of the articles indeed do — as shown below in bold:"Sinclair Community College will open a second building at its Mason campus on Friday to double the capacity for students in what the school said is one of the fastest growing counties in Ohio. Courseview is serving 1,300 students this fall, a 300 percent increase in enrollment since it opened, according to Sinclair. The school and the Sinclair Community College Foundation have invested $7 million this year to expand the Mason campus to a total of about 75 acres, including the new building. The college said the Courseview campus has a $45 million economic impact in Warren County. The college has said it anticipates serving 2,500 students and employing an additional 24 people as the building opens. Sinclair has a Vision 2035 to serve more students with more academic programs at the campus, which opened in 2007. “It’s our goal to make it easier for everyone to get an education no matter where they are in the region,” Johnson said. Currently, Courseview enrolls between 1,000 and 1,400 students in a term. The college anticipates serving 2,500 students and employing an additional 24 people when renovations are complete in fall 2013 on the former Stress Engineering Building, which was purchased by the foundation in August. The building was bought along with 33 acres of land for $4.5 million, according to Sinclair. “Students in this community, their families and employers will benefit for the foreseeable future and beyond as a result of the investments we have made and the training and education we will continue to provide,” Sinclair Community College Board of Trustees Chair Barney Wright said in a news release. No Montgomery County levy dollars are being used to expand Courseview, according to Sinclair."Third party references ideally should be those who independently verify details reported on their own, without prompting from the college. Additionally, the two highlighted statements, which come from two different articles, demonstrate the generic quality of these college-provided statements, in that one is simply repeated verbatim in another article on the same subject months later — ostensibly because there was no additional fresh reporting done on the subject. Regards,  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   15:53, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Reconsideration of mention of Mason Sinclair Community College campus
Thank you again for the suggestion on the rewrite on the details for the Mason campus. If I understand the request correctly, you would like additional available references about the Mason campus. I'd like to offer a YouTube video of the ribbon cutting for Building B, the college's webpage for the campus which details courses and offerings and includes two virtual tours, an announcement in 2015 from Antioch University about a partnership including the Mason campus, a 2017 story in the Dayton City Paper about an event at the campus and photos on Flickr of the campus, and the Facebook page for the campus. I hope this is adequate. Thank you again for your suggestions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rIyCRq1FIo

http://www.sinclair.edu/locations/mason/

https://www.antioch.edu/blog/2015/12/18/antioch-university-midwest-partners-with-sinclair-community-college/

http://www.daytoncitypaper.com/40546-2/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sinclaircommunitycollege/10728270324/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/102586062079/10153788037787080/

The suggested addition is as follows:

In 2013 Sinclair purchased a 3.4 acre addition to the Courseview Campus Center in Mason, a move designed to allow the site to eventually serve 10,000 students. This was a part of $7 million spent by the Sinclair Foundation and the college to expand the Mason campus.

Sinclair buys more acres to expand its Mason campus, Dayton Daily News, Jan. 7, 2013. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-buys-more-acres-expand-its-mason-campus/Ee93CYrHpXbv2gyTVnMeCN/

Also in 2013 the college opened a second Mason facility, "Building B," on the Courseview Campus, doubling the campus’ capacity. Sinclair to open second building in Mason, Dayton Daily News, Oct. 30, 2013. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-open-second-building-mason/WoC9UcwWe7YB4dKXMAGyWP/

In August of 2016, Sinclair Community College and the University of Cincinnati signed a partnership allowing Sinclair students attending the Mason campus to pursue a bachelor's degree in Information Technology at UC and complete an associate’s degree, undergraduate degree, master’s degree and three semesters of full-time, paid work experience at the Sinclair-Mason campus, the Dayton Daily News reported.

Additional academic degree collaborative agreements between with other academic institutions and Sinclair followed.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local-education/university-cincinnati-sinclair-begin-tech-partnership-mason/71LNi94ecTtMZhllvvkphO/

http://www.uc.edu/news/NR.aspx?id=23672

http://www.newsrecord.org/sinclair-community-college-pact-reached/article_36feba26-4151-5704-980b-5ac76bf6791a.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rIyCRq1FIo

http://www.sinclair.edu/locations/mason/

https://www.antioch.edu/blog/2015/12/18/antioch-university-midwest-partners-with-sinclair-community-college/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sinclaircommunitycollege/10728270324/

Sbennish (talk) 17:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

per WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   19:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Rework of Mason campus of Sinclair Community College from COI sbennish
Thank you again for your directions on suggesting this material. I hope this rework is acceptable

According to the Dayton Daily News, in 2013 Sinclair purchased a 3.4 acre addition to the Courseview Campus Center in Mason with the intent of eventually serving 10,000 students there. Also that year, the college opened a second Mason facility, "Building B." In August of 2016, Sinclair Community College and the University of Cincinnati signed a partnership allowing Sinclair students attending the Mason campus to pursue a bachelor's degree in Information Technology at UC.

Sinclair buys more acres to expand its Mason campus, Dayton Daily News, Jan. 7, 2013. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-buys-more-acres-expand-its-mason-campus/Ee93CYrHpXbv2gyTVnMeCN/ Sinclair to open second building in Mason, Dayton Daily News, Oct. 30, 2013. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-open-second-building-mason/WoC9UcwWe7YB4dKXMAGyWP/

University of Cincinnati, Sinclair begin tech partnership in Mason, Dayton Daily News, Aug. 2, 2016. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local-education/university-cincinnati-sinclair-begin-tech-partnership-mason/71LNi94ecTtMZhllvvkphO/

Sbennish (talk) 20:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thank you for your help, it's much appreciated.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   20:56, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Rework of Academics section for Sinclair Community College by COI sbennish
Once again, thank you for your helpful consideration and direction Spintendo ᔦᔭ. I hope this rework will meet the standards for inclusion and represent adequate phrasing as per guidelines.

I would ask that this new material below, a basic description of the academic organization and course offerings, be placed under the bold face heading of "Academics." This heading would be placed below the "Campus" section and above the heading "Accreditation." The fact box link below supports the details about the programs. There are no deletions or substitutions suggested at this time. Thank you again for your help.

Academics

Sinclair is a two-year college with academic divisions including Liberal Arts, Communication & Social Sciences; Health Sciences; Business & Public Services; and Science, Mathematics & Engineering. The programs prepare students for future employment or transfer to four-year institutions.

http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/divisions/

Certificate programs are career and industry specific. The programs include general and short-term technical certificates. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/

Sinclair's online learning program has more than 200 courses for students to earn academic degrees and certificates. Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/

College Credit Plus (CCP) is a program for students in grades 7-12 to take college courses for free and earn high school or college credit. Approximately 4,303 students are enrolled in CCP courses from Sinclair in Fiscal Year 2016-17. Sinclair also offers Workforce Development programs for employers and employees. They are organizational and professional development, project management, IT and cyber security, advanced manufacturing, unmanned aerial systems, fire and emergency services, health sciences and bio sciences, among others.

http://workforce.sinclair.edu/course-catalog/

According to the Dayton Business Journal, in January 2018, the "college reported overall enrollment at the school has increased by 3 percent to 5 percent from last spring, and more than 19,000 undergraduate students are currently attending Sinclair." The Journal added: "Sinclair plays a pivotal role in creating workers for Dayton-area companies across all industries. And with workforce shortages among the top issues facing businesses, growth at Sinclair could translate to a larger workforce pool."

Facts about Sinclair's academic programs can be found here: http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/

Additional supporting third party references: https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2018/01/08/enrollment-up-at-sinclair-online-enrollment-and.html https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2017/04/18/sinclair-plans-enrollment-growth-campus-revival.html https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

Sbennish (talk) 21:25, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 * 1) "Certificate programs are career and industry specific." Please indicate the source for this claim that certificate programs are industry specific. According to your source, it's the technical certificates which are industry focused. Please clarify.
 * 2) "The programs prepare students for future employment or transfer to four-year institutions." The given source does not make this claim. Please clarify.
 * 3) " Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. The given source does not make this claim. Please clarify.
 * 4) I'm having difficulty finding the information on College Credit Plus. The page given shows the catalog, but I don't see a heading for CCP. Is it located under one of the catalog headings? I did a search using the search bar provided in the header and it didn't return anything on College Credit Plus. Does it maybe go by a different name, or does the catalog refer to it differently? Please advise.

On a separate issue, the only feedback I'd like to provide here is on the Workforce development section. I found it after some difficulty under industry certification. The passage as it is written does not explicitly communicate that these areas are one in the same. That is why I found it difficult to locate. Mentioning programs in unmanned aerial systems and advanced manufacturing could be confusing because a program is much more than a certificate course. Please note that this separate issue does not fall under the rubric of conflict of interest, so my feedback in this area is just that — feedback.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   02:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed rework of Sinclair Community College Academics entry
Once again, thank you for your helpful consideration and direction Spintendo ᔦᔭ. Given the requests, I'd like to offer suggested additional but more simplified and direct language to the Academics section to clarify the basic academic structure of the college and its offerings. I would propose that the following language appear below the sentence under the Accreditation heading that currently states: "Sinclair is authorized to grant associate degrees in arts, sciences, applied science, and individualized and technical study."

The additions follow, with references including sources for the information. Please note also this link to the Ohio Department of Higher Education that confirms the information. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college:

Here is the proposed language:

Sinclair, a two-year college, has academic divisions of Liberal Arts, Communication & Social Sciences; Health Sciences; Business & Public Services; and Science, Mathematics & Engineering. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/divisions/ Sinclair offers certificate programs in short-term study in fields that include health care, automotive technology, social service, marketing Unmanned Aerial Systems, public safety and IT, among others. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/ Sinclair's online learning program has more than 200 courses for students to earn academic degrees and certificates. Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/ http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/ Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

College Credit Plus (CCP) is a program for students in grades 7-12 to take college courses for free and earn high school or college credit. Approximately 4,303 students are enrolled in CCP courses from Sinclair in Fiscal Year 2016-17. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/k12/ccp/ http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/

Sinclair offers education for employers and employees as part of its Workforce Development program. Further education is provided in the areas of organizational and professional development, project management, IT and cyber security, advanced manufacturing, unmanned aerial systems, fire and emergency services, health sciences and bio sciences, among others.

ef>Sinclair Community College. http://workforce.sinclair.edu/course-catalog/ Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

According to the Dayton Business Journal, in January 2018, the "college reported overall enrollment at the school has increased by 3 percent to 5 percent from last spring, and more than 19,000 undergraduate students are currently attending Sinclair." The Journal added: "Sinclair plays a pivotal role in creating workers for Dayton-area companies across all industries. And with workforce shortages among the top issues facing businesses, growth at Sinclair could translate to a larger workforce pool."

Facts about Sinclair's academic programs and enrollment can be found here: http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/

Additional supporting third party references: https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2018/01/08/enrollment-up-at-sinclair-online-enrollment-and.html https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2017/04/18/sinclair-plans-enrollment-growth-campus-revival.html https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

"Certificate programs are career and industry specific." Please indicate the source for this claim that certificate programs are industry specific. According to your source, it's the technical certificates which are industry focused. Please clarify. (I believe this will be clearer when including the specific certificates and their categories and allowing a reference to the college's listing. sbennish)

"The programs prepare students for future employment or transfer to four-year institutions." The given source does not make this claim. Please clarify. (I believe this is clarified in simplified language.)

" Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. The given source does not make this claim. Please clarify. (This information is provided by the College in this Fast Facts link. http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/)

I'm having difficulty finding the information on College Credit Plus. The page given shows the catalog, but I don't see a heading for CCP. Is it located under one of the catalog headings? I did a search using the search bar provided in the header and it didn't return anything on College Credit Plus. Does it maybe go by a different name, or does the catalog refer to it differently? Please advise. (Here is the link to the CCP program. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/k12/ccp/

On a separate issue, the only feedback I'd like to provide here is on the Workforce development section. I found it after some difficulty under industry certification. The passage as it is written does not explicitly communicate that these areas are one in the same. That is why I found it difficult to locate. Mentioning programs in unmanned aerial systems and advanced manufacturing could be confusing because a program is much more than a certificate course. In the end, these are not issues which fall under the rubric of conflict of interest, so my feedback in this area is just that - feedback. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 02:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC) (I've simplified the language for Workforce Development to help with this.)

Sbennish (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed rewording and additions to update Sinclair Community College Intro section from COI sbennish
Hello and thank you again for your guidance and editing of this proposed update of the Sinclair Community College article. I'd like to propose these updates to the introduction portion of the article to bring the article to the present and fill in basic details about the status, role and activities of the college in the Dayton region in recent years. Below is the proposed wording with references. The following are proposed to appear below the first sentence: Sinclair Community College is an urban community college located in downtown Dayton, Ohio and is the largest community college at a single location in the state of Ohio." Here is the first proposed additional sentence: According to the Ohio Department of Higher Education, it serves 30,000 students and has a main campus of 80 acres. Sinclair Community College, Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

I propose deleting this sentence because it is out of date: "Sinclair had an enrollment of 25,345 students in 2009,[3] making the main campus one of the largest (by enrollment) community college campuses in North America.[4]"

Next, I propose this sentence appear below the paragraph that begins: "Because of special funding set up by the taxpayers of Montgomery County, the tuition of the college is the lowest in Ohio for residents..."

Sinclair students work toward degrees and certificates in more than 200 programs of study spanning the arts and technical education. The college’s Distance Learning program enrolls 6,000 online students in 48 U.S. states and the District of Columbia in 2016 as one of the largest providers of online education in Ohio. Sinclair Community College, Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

Below that, this sentence: Sinclair’s tuition of $2,034 per year (excluding living expenses and other costs) for county residents is significantly below other tuition in Ohio based on 2016/2017 data from the U.S. Department of Education National Center for Education Statistics Survey.

U.S. Department of Education National Center for Education Statistics Survey via COLLEGESIMPLY. http://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/ohio/sinclair-community-college/price/.

Below the paragraph that begins: "Sinclair Community College was featured in a 2009 issue of The New York Times" I would propose the following paragraphs:

In 2015, Sinclair released data showing that students who complete degrees see their annual earnings increase from a median of $17,000 to $37,000. That figure rises to $50,000 for those with a health care industry degree. )Two-year degrees can offer high-pay rewards, Dayton Daily News, Oct. 18, 2015. http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/local-education/two-year-degrees-can-offer-high-pay-rewards/MuO7vQ12IzCEqB7mboMcWK/

Sinclair is engaged in improving student graduation rates, trying initiatives from making new student orientation mandatory to high school interventions. These efforts are supported by national partners such as the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. In 2011, Sinclair shared a $500,000 grant with two other Ohio colleges from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to continue the effort. Sinclair to share $500K Gates Foundation grant, Dayton Business Journal, https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2011/05/24/sinclair-to-share-500k-gates-foundation.html

Less than a third of those who had enrolled in 1999 earned degrees or certificates, transferred or continued to be enrolled with progress toward a credential by 2003. By the 2009-13 period, the number rose to 56 percent, a 75 percent increase. Phase Two of Completion, Inside Higher Ed, June 2, 2015. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/02/sinclair-community-colleges-15-years-completion-projects-pay

By enrollment, Sinclair ranks fifth in the state of Ohio among all institutions of higher education. College Stats.org. https://collegestats.org/colleges/ohio/largest/

Sinclair has a diverse student body that reflects communities in the region. According to the Community College Review the school’s minority enrollment is 28 percent compared to a statewide average of 27 percent. (https://www.communitycollegereview.com/sinclair-community-college-profile)

Its Workforce Development Division has been named No. 1 in the region by the Dayton Business Journal for training area employees through business partnerships. https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/subscriber-only/2015/07/10/workforce-development-programs.html The college describes its core strategy as education that embodies “quality and innovation, sustainable, accessible and community aligned" values. http://strategy.sinclair.edu/

Sbennish (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Reply 25-JAN-2018
There are currently 2 edit requests open on this page. There is the last edit request, the one I am posting a reply to, but there is also a request above it. I would like to suggest having an economy of requests here. Please incorporate the two requests into one single request at a time, by subsuming the contents of one into another. I would do this, but I'm not sure which elements of each request are still wanted. Please advise.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   17:57, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Combined proposed revisions to Sinclair Community College sections Academics and intro or top section by coi sbennish
Thank you Spintendo ᔦᔭ. I submit this combined request to help clarify. This proposal involves updating two sections of the article, the Academics section and the intro section at the top of the article.

Let's start with Academics. I'd like to offer more simplified and direct language to the Academics section to clarify the basic academic structure of the college. I would propose that the following language appear below the sentence under the Accreditation heading that currently states: "Sinclair is authorized to grant associate degrees in arts, sciences, applied science, and individualized and technical study."

The additions follow, with references including sources for the information. Please note also this link to the Ohio Department of Higher Education that confirms the information. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college:

Here is the proposed language:

Sinclair, a two-year college, has academic divisions of Liberal Arts, Communication & Social Sciences; Health Sciences; Business & Public Services; and Science, Mathematics & Engineering. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/divisions/ Sinclair offers certificate programs in short-term study in fields that include health care, automotive technology, social service, marketing Unmanned Aerial Systems, public safety and IT, among others. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/certificates/ Sinclair's online learning program has more than 200 courses for students to earn academic degrees and certificates. Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/online/ http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/ Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

College Credit Plus (CCP) is a program for students in grades 7-12 to take college courses for free and earn high school or college credit. Approximately 4,303 students are enrolled in CCP courses from Sinclair in Fiscal Year 2016-17. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/k12/ccp/ http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/

Sinclair offers education for employers and employees as part of its Workforce Development program. Further education is provided in the areas of professional development, project management, IT and cyber security, advanced manufacturing, unmanned aerial systems, fire and emergency services, health sciences and bio sciences, among others. Sinclair Community College. http://workforce.sinclair.edu/course-catalog/ Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

According to the Dayton Business Journal, in January 2018, the "college reported overall enrollment at the school has increased by 3 percent to 5 percent from last spring, and more than 19,000 undergraduate students are currently attending Sinclair." The Journal added: "Sinclair plays a pivotal role in creating workers for Dayton-area companies across all industries. And with workforce shortages among the top issues facing businesses, growth at Sinclair could translate to a larger workforce pool."

https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2018/01/08/enrollment-up-at-sinclair-online-enrollment-and.html https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2017/04/18/sinclair-plans-enrollment-growth-campus-revival.html https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

"Certificate programs are career and industry specific." Please indicate the source for this claim that certificate programs are industry specific. According to your source, it's the technical certificates which are industry focused. Please clarify.

(I believe this will be clearer when including the specific certificates and their categories and allowing a reference to the college's listing. sbennish)

"The programs prepare students for future employment or transfer to four-year institutions." The given source does not make this claim. Please clarify.

(I believe this is clarified in simplified language.)

" Approximately 11,831 students registered for online courses in Fiscal Year 2016-17.

The given source does not make this claim. Please clarify. (This information is provided by the College in this Fast Facts link. http://www.sinclair.edu/about/fast-facts/)

I'm having difficulty finding the information on College Credit Plus. The page given shows the catalog, but I don't see a heading for CCP. Is it located under one of the catalog headings? I did a search using the search bar provided in the header and it didn't return anything on College Credit Plus. Does it maybe go by a different name, or does the catalog refer to it differently? Please advise.

(Here is the link to the CCP program. Sinclair Community College. http://www.sinclair.edu/academics/k12/ccp/

On a separate issue, the only feedback I'd like to provide here is on the Workforce development section. I found it after some difficulty under industry certification. The passage as it is written does not explicitly communicate that these areas are one in the same. That is why I found it difficult to locate. Mentioning programs in unmanned aerial systems and advanced manufacturing could be confusing because a program is much more than a certificate course. In the end, these are not issues which fall under the rubric of conflict of interest, so my feedback in this area is just that - feedback. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 02:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC) (I've simplified the language for Workforce Development to help with this.)

Next, I'd propose these updates to the introduction portion of the article to bring the article to the present and fill in basic details about the role and activities of the college in the Dayton region in recent years. Below is the proposed wording with references. The following are proposed to appear below the first sentence: Sinclair Community College is an urban community college located in downtown Dayton, Ohio and is the largest community college at a single location in the state of Ohio." Here is the first proposed additional sentence: According to the Ohio Department of Higher Education, it serves 30,000 students and has a main campus of 80 acres. Sinclair Community College, Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

I propose deleting this sentence because it is out of date: "Sinclair had an enrollment of 25,345 students in 2009,[3] making the main campus one of the largest (by enrollment) community college campuses in North America.[4]"

Next, I propose this sentence appear below the paragraph that begins: "Because of special funding set up by the taxpayers of Montgomery County, the tuition of the college is the lowest in Ohio for residents..."

Sinclair students work toward degrees and certificates in more than 200 programs of study spanning the arts and technical education. The college’s Distance Learning program enrolls 6,000 online students in 48 U.S. states and the District of Columbia in 2016 as one of the largest providers of online education in Ohio. Sinclair Community College, Ohio Department of Higher Education. https://www.ohiohighered.org/campuses/sinclair_community_college

Below that, this sentence: Sinclair’s tuition of $2,034 per year (excluding living expenses and other costs) for county residents is significantly below other tuition in Ohio based on 2016/2017 data from the U.S. Department of Education National Center for Education Statistics Survey.

U.S. Department of Education National Center for Education Statistics Survey via COLLEGESIMPLY. http://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/ohio/sinclair-community-college/price/.

Below the paragraph that begins: "Sinclair Community College was featured in a 2009 issue of The New York Times" I would propose the following paragraphs:

In 2015, Sinclair released data showing that students who complete degrees see their annual earnings increase from a median of $17,000 to $37,000. That figure rises to $50,000 for those with a health care industry degree. Two-year degrees can offer high-pay rewards, Dayton Daily News, Oct. 18, 2015. http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/local-education/two-year-degrees-can-offer-high-pay-rewards/MuO7vQ12IzCEqB7mboMcWK/

Sinclair is engaged in improving student graduation rates, trying initiatives from making new student orientation mandatory to high school interventions. These efforts are supported by national partners such as the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. In 2011, Sinclair shared a $500,000 grant with two other Ohio colleges from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to continue the effort. Sinclair to share $500K Gates Foundation grant, Dayton Business Journal, https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2011/05/24/sinclair-to-share-500k-gates-foundation.html

Less than a third of those who had enrolled in 1999 earned degrees or certificates, transferred or continued to be enrolled with progress toward a credential by 2003. By the 2009-13 period, the number rose to 56 percent, a 75 percent increase. Phase Two of Completion, Inside Higher Ed, June 2, 2015.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/02/sinclair-community-colleges-15-years-completion-projects-pay

By enrollment, Sinclair ranks fifth in the state of Ohio among all institutions of higher education. College Stats.org. https://collegestats.org/colleges/ohio/largest/

Sinclair has a diverse student body that reflects communities in the region. According to the Community College Review the school’s minority enrollment is 28 percent compared to a statewide average of 27 percent. https://www.communitycollegereview.com/sinclair-community-college-profile

Its Workforce Development Division has been named No. 1 in the region by the Dayton Business Journal for training area employees through business partnerships. https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/subscriber-only/2015/07/10/workforce-development-programs.html

The college describes its core strategy as education that embodies “quality and innovation, sustainable, accessible and community aligned" values. http://strategy.sinclair.edu/

Sbennish (talk) 18:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Below you'll see as far as I got in determining what the responses were to my concerns from the request just before this last request:   "Certificate programs are career and industry specific." Please indicate the source for this claim that certificate programs are industry specific. According to your source, it's the technical certificates which are industry focused. Please clarify.

I eliminated the words "career" and "industry" per your critique for simple clarity in the pending request to state the college offerings more directly and clearly. I believed that the titles of the certificate programs in and of themselves indicate that they address jobs in specific industries. The titles I believe are common job titles and careers within specific industries.

(I believe this will be clearer when including the specific certificates and their categories and allowing a reference to the college's listing. sbennish) ❌ Unfortunately, the list of specific certificates and their categories likely won't be included in the article, per §4 and §7 of WP:NOTDIRECTORY, so this statement's opportunity to become clearer would not foreseeably occur and — if it were added — its failure to demonstrate the differences would still be apparent.

"The programs prepare students for future employment or transfer to four-year institutions." The given source does not make this claim. Please clarify.

I have eliminated this language of "future employment" and "transfer," but I would suggest that this is the common, general function and purpose of community colleges everywhere.

(I believe this is clarified in simplified language.) It would be best if we could keep (1) the request, (2) the concerns over the request, and (3) your replies to the concerns over the request, all in one succinct location.

I intended the language to be simplified and concise and did not intend to confuse. I regret the confusion.

The last of your replies I was beginning to address was the one covering my concern over the language that claims the college's coursework "prepare(s) students for future employment" which, on its face, seems like a challenging claim to source. Nevertheless, I asked for these references supporting this claim and your response was "I believe this is clarified in simplified language. At which point I became lost, because that language was not immediately apparent at the moment I needed to be reading it. Does your response indicate that there is a newly worded sentence somewhere in the request? If so, I need to read that sentence before we can move on to the next issue. Please advise.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   19:26, 25 January 2018 (UTC) I have eliminated that specific language in this section for the sake of clarity, but I would suggest these stories in the media over a period of many years that shows Sinclair preparing students for future employment. I would hope that would satisfy the request:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/business/15college.html

http://wdtn.com/2017/08/31/sinclair-prepares-student-for-real-world-with-new-health-sciences-center/

https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2017/04/18/sinclair-plans-enrollment-growth-campus-revival.html

https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2017/11/29/dayton-college-requests-funds-for-new.html

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sinclair-new-health-sciences-center-opens-for-first-classes/LxOFeNCec973LSTEUhVLHK/

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/local-education/two-year-degrees-can-offer-high-pay-rewards/MuO7vQ12IzCEqB7mboMcWK/

Here is the entry in Wikipedia for community college.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college

"A community college is a type of educational institution. The term can have different meanings in different countries, but usually refers to an educational institution that provides workforce education and college transfer academic programs. Some institutions maintain athletic teams and dormitories similar to their four-year counterparts."

Sbennish (talk) 20:10, 25 January 2018 (UTC)