Talk:Singing/Archive 2

Potential
This article has so much potential. Not only different styles of singing (jazz, a capella, choral, gospel, folk, etc.), singing in different cultures (traditional African, Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, etc.) and ages (classical, pop, etc.) could also be discuessed. Different sections could also be allocated to the science of singing, leading singers of all times etc. i hope no one would object if i recommend this to be a COTW? --Plastictv 02:56, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

The Techniques
The first paragraph about techniques is copied EXACTLY from the link at the end of the page!

disambiguation and consolidation
I propose that the topic singing be more narrowly defined as "the act of producing musical verbal communication with the human voice", and that the topic human voice as an instrument be created to refer to both singing and non-singing (per the above definition) uses of the human voice to produce music, such as the following:


 * Bel canto
 * Rapping
 * Sprechgesang
 * Scat singing
 * Yodeling
 * Beatboxing
 * the bit at the bottom of this article about hardcore punk hoarse shouting
 * Screaming
 * Folk singing
 * Spoken word / performance poetry

et cetera

Thoughts?

(Warning: I might go ahead and do this myself if there's no discussion within a few weeks ;^) )
 * And what about aliquote singing? --195.113.207.71 12:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

a cappella
The reference to "a cappella" is all accurate, but it doesn't belong here; it belongs in the "choir" entry, since it's a term used almost exclusively for ensemble singing. Wahoofive 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong disagree. There are thousands of a cappella trios, quartets, sextets and such.  Treating them as choirs is at best misleading and at worst offensive. LeadSongDog 04:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Need edits
Okay, so I'm gonna do some pretty heavy edits on this page if no one has objections. The physical description of the act of singing is quite incorrect. The mention of show choirs in this article is odd, as well as punk, emo, and rock singing. I mean, as mentioned in a comment below, if we are going to address certain ways/styles of singing, we need to do an overview of all of them.

I also think we should consider condensing the Wikipedia articles "Singer" and "Singing."

BeholdHowFree 06:37, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * This article definitely could stand some improvement. Also look at Human voice for some more material on singing which could be merged here.&mdash;Wahoofive (talk) 06:38, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Image
Having a photo of someone singing is a nice idea, but I've removed it. It's copyright, and I don't think we can claim fair use since this article is not about the person shown singing. Surely some wikipedian can get a GFDL shot of a choir singing? -- Tarquin 10:22, 31 May 2005 (UTC) Well, if it is not copyrighted, and if it was found on Google, it would technically not be copyrighting if the picture was not officially copyrighted. :)

Request for input
A new article claims that a young man named Tireh has a world-record-tying vocal range. Another wikipedian requested verification, and the creator provided audio samples. I have no musical expertise to judge them, and in general input to the conversation at Talk:Tireh from more musically knowledgeable Wikipedians than myself would be appreciated. Thank you &mdash; Pekinensis 05:44, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't merge
It was suggested that Singer be merged into this. They some to be sufficient different in conent, and not exactly the same topic, although they're obviously closely related. Singer talks about classification of people who sing, and singing talks more about technical technique of singing (or should). Also, I think the singer article is much better, and might be messed up, if moved in here. --rob 19:28, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I completely agree with rob, please don't merge. Patrick J. Sunbury 17:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

yes, no mergee. Larynxdude (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

unhumanly?
dictionary.com fails me constantly,and I don't know who to trust. But I don't think unhumanly is a word. inhumane is a word, but not the word we're looking for. There must be a technical term for what Korn does.
 * First, I have fixed it. Second, plese don't call Korn death metal... it's just... wrong. You are effectively offending every death metal band in the world. --Sn0wflake 20:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Only the sensitive ones ;/} LeadSongDog 02:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Techniques
The first paragraph of techniques is stole verbatim from http://learn-to-sing-guide.blogspot.com/.

Deleted
I took out a part about Hardcore singing because 1) Most of the so-called facts were completly false, a lot of information about music was added which was also very false, so now we are free of crap. (hopefully) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.241.36.185 (talk • contribs)
 * Despite your opinion of this info as "crap," it does have relevance as to how singing is a part of (or not) these musical genres. I put it back. --mtz206 (talk) 21:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Alfred Alexander quote
This quote seems very elitist... granted maybe there are that many people with those exact physiologocal qualities and range to be defined in that group... but surely singing is much more than that ?! what about emotion, drive, passion ya-de-ya, etc ? eg Bob Dylan may not be a 'classical vocalist' but he definately is a singer and i doubt if he falls in Alfred's group. Boomshanka 22:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * hehe hehe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.77.23 (talk) 22:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The quote is elitist. A singer is anyone who sings.  Period.  Any age, any degree of accomplishment.LeadSongDog 02:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Vocalese?
need to mention vocalese