Talk:Single-seater

What's the point?
What is the point of a separate article on "single-seaters"?

"Single-seater" and "monoposto" were both created as redirects to "open-wheel car". Both of them were then turned into their own articles, each with a single line explaining that a single-seat vehicle was a vehicle with one seat.

I have since corrected the instance of both articles saying the same basic thing by redirecting one to another, but do we even need one article to say it? Is the term "single-seater" (English for "monoposto" relevant beyond the open-wheeled racing car or the single-seat racing motorcycle? Is there any common thread between a mobility scooter, a kayak, and a F-22 Raptor? If such a common thread exists, has it been documented in reliable sources?  What makes single-seaters notable as a class of vehicle?

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 17:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Al freír de los huevos lo verá Cervantes
 * The word may not receive so much use about cars in the English language as it did until perhaps 50 years ago. Certainly at the time of writing single-seater has been viewed 108 times in the last 30 days, monoposto in exactly the same period 323 times and in the preceding 30 days 386 times. It seems to me the readers are looking for monoposto and not single-seater, to merely redirect is to over-do rationalisation.


 * It does seem to me that the originator of "open wheel car" got those background links wrong but that person may have wished to establish their view as having priority. I leave further learned disputation for others but there is also a phrase made popular by Cervantes, 'tilting at windmills'. Eddaido (talk) 20:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, by tilting at windmills I mean hunting for imaginary enemies. regards, Eddaido (talk) 20:41, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

How about this
When a reader searches using the term single seater the search box will show:
 * Single seater which may be a single seated anything – from a porch-swing to a piece of earthmoving machinery or rocket-propelled aircraft yet it has a redirect to Open-wheel car, just one of the very many uses of the words. It is agreed the most common use is for cars, motorcycles and aircraft.


 * Single-seater (this page) with the same vagueness or generality and the same redirect to a car

If the reader adds the word car the search box shows:


 * Single-seater cars (which for simplicity should go to the internationally recognized use - Formula cars)

Single seater and Single-seater should be deleted, if the reader wants a car then she/he adds the word to the search. Eddaido (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Quoted from the first paragraph of WP:PROD:

Proposed deletion is only applicable to mainspace articles, lists, and disambiguation pages; it cannot be used with redirects, userspace pages, templates, categories, or pages in any other namespace.
 * Therefore, I will remove the proposed deletion on this page and on the other redirect page that you mention.
 * Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 14:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, so what next? Eddaido (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge from Monoposto
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 00:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sam, you do seem to be making a nasty mess of things. A single seater can be a rocking chair for one instead of two. All single seaters are not vehicles. Or are they?? Eddaido (talk) 04:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Then I wonder who said this: "Single-seater, a vehicle without passenger seating providing for the driver alone."


 * This mess was caused by someone changing several redirects into stubs about the same topic. I have sorted it all into one stub and am being prevented from redirecting the other stubs into that one.


 * Hopefully, someone will notice that "single-seater" no longer redirects to "open-wheel car" and will restore some sanity to this, even if it is just to redirect everything back to "open-wheel car".


 * Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2012 (UTC)