Talk:Single Asian Female

On racism accusations
I have seen many communities on the internet where people accuse the comic of racism. But we can't include the accusations in the article unless one can find a newspaper column/article or another WP:RS where a person makes the claim... WhisperToMe (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I had started a noticeboard post about this: Reliable_sources/Noticeboard WhisperToMe (talk) 06:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thread archived here: Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_192 WhisperToMe (talk) 14:31, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Additional material
San Francisco Chronicle stuff:
 * "ASIAN POP / Do you think we're sexy?"

SAF comic categories:
 * School: http://web.archive.org/web/20070118032935/http://www.safcomic.com/comics_school.html
 * Sellout, What Are You 1-4
 * Dating: http://web.archive.org/web/20070118114325/http://www.safcomic.com/comics_dating.html
 * Dorky White Guys, Date With Rob 1-5
 * Marie: http://web.archive.org/web/20070118033254/http://www.safcomic.com/comics_marie.html
 * Losers and Geeky, Abusive & Sexist?
 * Jackie: http://web.archive.org/web/20071023063105/http://safcomic.com/comics_jackie.html
 * Jackie 1-7
 * Mom and my Major 1-2: http://web.archive.org/web/20070118033026/http://www.safcomic.com/comics_mom.html
 * Nor Cal Rapist 1-5:
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070714033653im_/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/NCR-001.jpg
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070822011245im_/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/NCR-002.jpg
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070822011324im_/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/NCR-003.jpg
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070822011258im_/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/NCR-004.jpg
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070822011310im_/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/NCR-005.jpg - http://archive.is/1CRRh
 * Refers to http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://safcomic.com/sexualassault.html - which is broken with nothing archived
 * Michael Richards 1-4
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20071118022143/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/richards1.gif
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20071118022040/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/richards2.gif
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070822011304/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/richards3.gif
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070822011330/http://www.safcomic.com/images/comics/richards4.gif

The ones I haven't been able to find on SAF archives yet are:
 * "Depression" "5-O" and "Hapa": http://web.archive.org/web/20080703152306/http://safcomic.com/

SAF ran in: WhisperToMe (talk) 16:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * http://hardboiled.berkeley.edu/issues/101/101.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/5zf9kTdO3 ("Mom and My Major") - Issue 10.1 October 2006
 * http://hardboiled.berkeley.edu/issues/103/103.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/5zfAGwdL1 ("Michael Richards") - Issue 10.3 December 2006

Let me look at http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.safcomic.com/comics.html WhisperToMe (talk) 19:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Schema magazine is RS but as a note I found: http://schemamag.ca/2006/11/29/single_asian_female_comics_a_c/#.UgpM333LfK7 - http://archive.is/U8LgD WhisperToMe (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

How is this notable?
The author doesn't even have a website to virtually distribute his comic anymore. --24.185.64.42 (talk) 20:21, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Notability is permanent. The website doesn't exist anymore, but it used to. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but when was this ever notable? --24.185.64.42 (talk) 03:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It became notable the moments Angela Pang (AsianWeek) and Jeff Yang (San Francisco Chronicle) wrote about it. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

BTW the Northwest Asian Weekly also wrote about it, and this article is indexed in ProQuest, so that adds to the notability WhisperToMe (talk) 07:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Those are all very poor sources to call this notable. --140.32.16.3 (talk) 01:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If you go on the reliable sources noticeboard I'm certain that both the San Francisco Chronicle (the newspaper of record of San Francisco) and AsianWeek (a national Asian-American newspaper) would be declared "Wikipedia reliable." Since EBSCOHost ProQuest indexes/indexed the Northwest Asian Weekly that one would be too. Because we have these articles, Single Asian Female meets WP:GNG which means it's eligible for an article. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:20, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Notability is established by the depth of coverage in reliable sources, it has nothing to do with whether sources cited have a Wikipedia article on them. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:55, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It also has to do with the reputation of the source. What I meant by "Wikipedia reliable" is not "has a Wikipedia article on it", but instead "is determined to meet the criteria of a Reliable source according to Wikipedia's standards." As for the depth of coverage, two of the articles are entirely about this webcomic, and the third (the SF Chronicle article) gives significant coverage. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Name SAFComic
This Christmas message uses the name SAFComic: WhisperToMe (talk) 17:35, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070111100631/http://www.safcomic.com/index.html - http://archive.is/MS0WE

Date with Rob strips
Ethan Lee stated that he based the strips about Rob on the following site: WhisperToMe (talk) 21:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Asian Female Fetish Syndrome." (Archive) Asiance. (Not sure if it counts as an RS)
 * Source: "Date with Rob." (blog comments) (Archive) Single Asian Female. March 14, 2008. Retrieved on August 18, 2013. "This comic series is based on a story I read: http://asiancemagazine.com/sep_2006/200608/asian_female_fetish_syndrome Posted by: Jennie Low | November 16, 2006 11:25 PM" - "Jennie Low" points to safcomic.com" - indicating that it's Ethan Lee writing as "Jennie" - Ethan Lee did this in the "Press" (Archive) section and the e-mail was "Jennie can be reached at: jennie [at] safcomic (dot) com" - If "Jennie Low" wasn't Lee then he would have deleted the post or indicated it wasn't him.

Norcal Rapist
It seems like the "Norcal Rapist" was a real rape case: It was referenced in the final panel of the Norcal Rapist Comic (See here, Archive) - It was on America's Most Wanted There was a page at http://www.safcomic.com/sexualassault.html but it was never archived. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:06, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20080915213106/http://www.norcalrapist.info/ - http://archive.is/cPbnE
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20080719203947/http://myspace.com/norcalrapistinfo - http://archive.is/6oX2L
 * https://www.youtube.com/user/norcalrapistinfo has videos

Shouldn't be amention in the article that this webcomic has been very controversial (if not universally criticized) and suffered accusation of racism? Since this would be an important, if not fundamental, context information, put or not in a newspaper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.19.191 (talk) 20:04, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi! I started a section about that above. Here's the problem: Not one of the sources that criticize the comic are published by newspapers, academic journals, published books, or other sources that Wikipedia considers "reliable" (see: RS). No RSes known to me mention or describe these criticisms. If a RS publication discusses this, I would appreciate a link to it! WhisperToMe (talk) 01:33, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that 1. You're doing WP:SYNTHESIS there. 2. You're probably the creator of SAF, aren't you? --140.32.16.3 (talk) 01:31, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * where's the SYNTHESIS? (WP:SYNTHESIS says "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources.")
 * If you are referring to this talk page section: WP:NOR says clearly "(This policy of no original research does not apply to talk pages.)" and the content above about the "Norcal Racist" isn't actually a part of the article. In any case I don't see where I'm making a claim about "Norcal Rapist" that is not explicitly supported by any of the links above.
 * 2. I'm not the creator of SAF.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 09:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Charles Waller convicted https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/norcal-rapist-suspect-found-guilty-all-46-charges-attacks-dating-n1248170 WhisperToMe (talk) 14:09, 19 November 2020 (UTC)