Talk:Sinopharm BIBP COVID-19 vaccine/Archive 1

Request for picture
Can someone put a free-use picture of BBIBP-CorV into the infobox? Not sure which ones are copyrighted. Thanks! Albertaont (talk) 06:40, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Risks
Can we add a section about China historics about producing fake/dangerous vaccine, their completely opaque development and the 0% guarantee that the manufacturing will stick to any standard? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MetalRemi (talk • contribs) 07:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * If there are reliable sources to support this, go for it. One WP:RS in this article that may have something to do with this view is here. The article mentions "unlike vaccines being developed by Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson, little information has been published about the safety or efficacy of Chinese vaccines." But you would need to find other sources expressing similar views so that WP:DUE can be satisfied. Normchou   💬 07:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: I have expanded the content related to this part. There is now a number of RSes that support this view. Normchou   💬 19:38, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2021
I want to suggest change infobox drug "vaccine_type 	= Inactivated" see Template:Infobox drug 136.158.33.44 (talk) 05:08, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done. Volteer1 (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

The other vaccine?
The article indicates there are two COVID-19 vaccines from Sinopharm, but I cannot find the name of the other COVID-19 vaccine. Someone should provide the name and a link to the article. --Zeamays (talk) 14:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Thank you for your edit request. I have checked the given source and it does state that there are two in development, however you are correct in that it does not give a name for the second one. As such, I'm unable to add the information you suggest. If you find the name of the second one (with a reliable source), please post it here and re-open the request and it should be put in. Thanks, J850NK (talk) 20:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * J850NK: I don't see the logic in your response. You didn't find the answer, so you think I should find it instead (even though I clearly stated I couldn't find it.)?  Illogical!  --Zeamays (talk) 21:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * @Zeamays: Per WP:EDITXY, edit requests should be made in a "change x to y" format, not asking someone to further investigate and add information. — Twassman &#124; Talk &#124; Contribs 00:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Twassman, quibbling over the exact format of the request leads nowhere. What is needed is the identity of the 2nd vaccine, or it should be deleted if there is no further information.  Pharma companies discontinue many experimental drugs and vaccines without ever making an announcement of it.--Zeamays (talk) 04:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The WHO (in "Status of COVID-19 Vaccines within WHO EUL/PQ evaluation process") calls this the "Sinopharm / BIBP" and the other "Sinopharm / WIBP" (not yet listed here yet, although it is already considered for COVAX). This article calls it simply "WIBP vaccine" and refers to a clinical trial registered in ChiCTR. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

2 (or 3 doses) needed, 3-4 weeks interval, aluminum adjuvant?
I believe Wikipedia doesn't now tell the dosing interval, or even number of doses needed!

I didn't find official manufacturer information, but:

https://u.ae/en/information-and-services/justice-safety-and-the-law/handling-the-covid-19-outbreak/vaccines-against-covid-19-in-the-uae

UAE: "Sinopharm vaccine requires two doses. The first dose is taken following an assessment of the patient’s health and the second dose is taken after a period averaging between 21 to 28 days".

...

https://covid19.ncema.gov.ae/en/page/about-the-vaccine

UAE:

Q1: How many doses to be given?

A1: Two doses (3 – 4 weeks interval).

Q2: What is the available vaccine type?

A2: The current approved COVID-19 vaccines in the country are SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Inactivated Vaccine (Sinopharm), mRNA (Pfizer/BioNTech) and the Sputnik V.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-sinopharm-idUSKBN2BK05Q

Here there use the word Booster for a third dose:

"MARCH 28, UPDATED 12 DAYS AGO

BEIJING (Reuters) - Sinopharm will need to assess results from overseas Phase III clinical trials to decide whether its two-shot covid-19 vaccine should be followed by a booster shot, a company executive said on Sunday.

“The preliminary results so far showed that the booster vaccination can effectively increase the neutralizing antibody titer and antibody persistence, and also effectively improve the vaccine’s ability to resist mutations,” Zhang Yuntao, vice president at China National Biotec Group (CNBG), an affiliate of Sinopharm, said on Sunday.

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https://gulfnews.com/special-reports/sinopharm-covid-19-vaccine-all-you-need-to-know-1.1613923087408

"Lab technicians scoop the killed viruses out and mix them with a tiny amount of an aluminium-based compound — called an “adjuvant” (adjuvants are normally stimulate the immune system to boost its response to a vaccine)".

It contains Adjuvant, so maybe this vaccine could be used as a booster or primer for other covid-19 vaccines that do not contain aluminum?

I believe all other major covid-19 vaccines do Not contain adjuvants: AstraZeneca, Sputnik V, Moderna, Pfizer.

Efficacy of even one dose of Pfizer may be similar to 2 doses of SinoPharm:

"The UAE, among the first to approve the Sinopharm shot, said the vaccine was 86% effective, based on interim results of Phase 3 trials in the Emirates".

"a study published in the Lancet shows Pfizer’s first shot itself guarantees an up to 85% immunity against covid-19 after 2-4 weeks. The survey was done on 9,000 health worker in Sheba, Israel's largest hospital (about 7,000 received the first dose, while the rest were not inoculated)".

--ee1518 (talk) 19:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * See efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines and doses and interval in the list of authorized and approved COVID-19 vaccines. Inactivated and subunit vaccines often use adjuvants, I know they are used to make at least CoronaVac, Covaxin, EpiVacCorona and RBD-Dimer. The third dose of BBIBP-CorV looks like something under investigation, no countries are doing it yet. The geographical distribution of COVID-19 vaccines is very uneven, there are other "major" vaccines. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 11:30, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * Sinopharm BBIBP-CorV COVID-19 vaccine instruction manual chn.pdf

'Vero Cell' not a name
The lead paragraph states that this vaccine is also called Vero Cell, as if one could say it is "the" Vero Cell vaccine instead of "a" vero cell vaccine. This is a conceptual confusion between name and type, name and adjective. Adding to this confusion, EMA calls CoronaVac "Vero Cell" as well, but like for BBIBP-CorV, this is a description of its technology/type, not a name. Both BBIBP-CorV and CoronaVac have "SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine (Vero Cell), Inactivated" written in a large font size on their case.

As written in the article, both vaccines use the same vero cell technology in their production pipeline. In fact, many vaccines are produced using vero cells, such as vaccines for polio, smallpox (ACAM2000), rabies, Japanese encephalitis (Ixiaro), among others. Many other COVID-19 vaccines are produced using vero cells as well: Covaxin, CoviVac, Minhai, QazVac. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. It seems that a number of Nepali and Indian sources are continually referring to BBIBP-CorV as "Vero Cell"—a usage that did struck me as somewhat odd. Best, Inimesh (talk) 02:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Name
One does not know what it is when presented with a name such as BBIBP-CorV. I suggest rename the article BBIBP COVID-19 vaccine or Sinopharm (Beijing) COVID-19 vaccine. Sgnpkd (talk) 03:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)