Talk:Sir Andrew Aguecheek

Ague-Cheek
Is there really a hyphen in his name? I don't think it's there in the version I'm reading. AzureIcicle 02:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I've been on two productions of this play (once as a servant in some extracts by Blackburn Drama Club and another time as Andrew Agurecheek himself) and neither cast list or the text books we have used have had a hyphen in his name.  Lra drama 16:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have also played this part, and no edition of the play I have ever seen uses a hyphen. The unhyphenated name also garners about 100,000 more search hits than the hyphenated version. A pox on that hyphen sir. I am requesting a move currently, this seems to be the consensus currently. Van Tucky  Talk 20:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Assumptions?
I don't make any claim whatsoever to having knowledge of Shakespeare; I don't claim to having knowledge of almost anything! But having done some study of Twelfth Night with some excellent literary sources, I find some of the content of this article very surprising - statements of fact where, I am aware, we can only make some guesses. For example, this article claims that, towards the end of the play, Sir Andrew is "deep in debt". From what I have read, this can be surmised by approximately 3 of his lines in the play, and by the knowledge that Sir Toby is rooking him - but it is not fact, is it? Why is it that one of his "many skills" is dueling? As far as I'm aware, he tried to worm his way out of the duel with Viola once Sir Toby told him that Viola could duel. Why is one of his skills "speaking"? At the beginning of the play, Sir Toby tries to paint him as a multilingual natural speaker but even within the same scene this is shown to be a falsehood on Sir Toby's part; Sir Andrew himself even admits that he wishes he had paid more attention to the "finer things". Although this is not necessarily related to Sir Andrew, the comment "...whose foolishness ensures he is of wealth" is a bit stereotypical and a negative generalisation? Maybe within the context of Shakespeare and his works, this could be considered "true," but that is not made clear. And is his line "I was adored once too" really famous?

I wouldn't mind having a go at changing some aspects of this article myself, but I am new here and don't want to muck in and do more harm than good, so a few comments of agreement would be very much appreciated!! Maedin (talk) 13:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you might want to have a peek at WP:BOLD. :-)


 * Nobody would mind if you had a go at improving the article, quite the contrary! WikiProject Shakespeare has a lot of articles we'd dearly love to see better cared for, and far too few hands to do it. Don't worry too much about making mistakes, as most editors find it much easier to correct others mistakes than to make their own: even if nobody has stepped up to fix this article before it's likely they'll step in and help should you make a misstep.


 * Also, as a general rule, if you see a statement of fact in a Wikipedia article whose authenticity you question, adding tags to it will alert other editors that the claim in question needs to be properly cited (see also how to cite). We usually don't delete material outright; either tag it as needing a cite or rewrite/replace it with new material that is properly cited. See the policy on reliable sources.


 * Finally, you seem to have hit upon just exactly the reason for Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View and No Original Research policy. An encyclopedia should not editorialize on the topics of its articles; it should neutrally report what reliable secondary sources has to say on the matter. If some reliable secondary source says Aguecheek is a fool then the article can report that this source said so, and possibly supplement that with the information that another secondary source thought better of poor Andrew. --Xover (talk) 06:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Xover! I appreciate your response, I will have a go at revising this article.  How now, Maedin, timid?  Not I! Maedin (talk) 18:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with all those changes Maedin. I've played this part, and I can tell you for sure that all the times when Aguecheek or someone else boasts of his skill in one area or another, it's all a big joke. He's a total fool. He can't dance. He can't duel. And he can't speak any other tongue. It's a classical comic role from Shakespeare. Steven Walling (talk) formerly Van Tucky 03:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for agreeing also, Steven! Now I'm looking forward to digging into this article and improving it :)) Maedin (talk) 16:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
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