Talk:Sir George Cayley's coachman

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absurdly minor character to an important, however not stunningly famous figure in the history of flight. or perhaps we should create pages for the assistants of all other scientists? &#9992; James C. 02:45, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)
 * Delete: Ok, so there's this guy, see, and we don't know his name, but we're going to write an article about him.  Merge and redirect to the inventor's article. Geogre 03:49, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ambi 08:31, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, the first man to perform a recorded successful flight in a heavier than air machine, so not absurdly minor, but not enough info for an article either - merge and redirect.
 * The above vote was by User:Average Earthman

First man to fly in a machine that is heavier than air, and land it safely. First Pilot ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boalal1017 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. First airplane pilot. Should be linked from Sir George Cayley and other places though.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 17:11, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Sir George Cayley and include this small paragraph there. It will never grow to an article.  If not, Delete.-  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  19:11, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - IMHO the fact that we don't know his name isn't enough reason to delete. "Cayley's coachman" returns 734 hits on Google when wikipedia mirrors are filtered out. Where's the harm in allowing this to stand as a short article? --Rlandmann 04:29, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. If the article is correct that "nothing more is known about him" then the article is never going to grow. There is plenty of room for this paragraph in the article on Sir George Cayley. What is the point of having it be an article of its own? This individual is notable and known only in relation to Cayley. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 02:04, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect.. Reasons as above. The first human being to create fire, the first human being to shave, the inventor of the first sailboat, and so forth are surely more notable. But we don't know their names either, hence no article on them. Jallan 16:57, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. Being the first heavier-than-air flier is notable. But it's impossible for the article to grow beyond that fact. Shimmin 17:17, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

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