Talk:Sir Jonathan Trelawny, 3rd Baronet

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Should "Trelawney" be spelt with an "e" or "Trelawny" with no "e"?

Talskiddy 22:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


 * 'Chambers Biographical Dictionary' ISBN 055016040X, has Trelawny. DuncanHill 11:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Jowwwwww
You undo my edit claiming that English is not a nationality and then you go to place Cornish there which is certainly not a nationality. Explanation please. I would have put British but this guy lived most of his life during the time England was not in union with Scotland, there for "British" would be questionable. BritishWatcher (talk) 10:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You are removing Cornish from articles because you say it isn't a nationality. Then you add English to other articles, which isn't a nationality. You are being inconsistent and disingenuous. I just thought I would point that out to you. Put British if you want, although I don't know how many Bishops of Bristol, Exeter and Winchester weren't British. --Joowwww (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Excuse me but English is a nationality. Cornish is not. In articles about people after 1707 when England and Scotland formed a union should have peoples nationality as British. In most of the changes i have made it is to British. But in this case most of this mans life was during the period when England was a sovereign country, there for English was a nationality and plenty of living peoples articles today call them English anyway. BritishWatcher (talk) 11:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * English is not a nationality. On my and your passport it says "British". Legally, there is no such thing as an English nationality, or "England" for that matter. "English" is an identity. --Joowwww (talk) 11:19, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am a passionate supporter of the United Kingdom, i would rather everywhere simply say United Kingdom and British but that is not the current  agreed method as mentioned on the MOS and in the advice some follow.
 * Every article i come across that incorrectly says Cornish i would change to British not English. But in this one case, the person was alive at a time when England was an independent country there for an English nationality certainly existed. BritishWatcher (talk) 11:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * During those times the Cornish were recognised as a people separate to the English. Nationality did not mean then what it does now. --Joowwww (talk) 11:29, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * By the time of this mans life Cornwall was part of England there for he was English. He was part of the Church of England, do we have any sources saying he rejected the idea of being considered English? BritishWatcher (talk) 11:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cornwall was under the English crown, but its territorial relationship to England was unclear. The Stannary Parliament still operated then, and the Duchy's status was ambiguous. We cannot apply our modern concept of nationality to the 1600s. --Joowwww (talk) 11:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So we are agreed, its ok to change Cornish to British on this article then leave it as that on here? BritishWatcher (talk) 12:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. --Joowwww (talk) 12:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)