Talk:Sissi (Finnish light infantry)

Needs still more
Article needs history of Sissi troops, first units called by this name were propably Sissi batallions of the winter war, later in continuation war indipendent batallions (erillinen pataljoona) were used for sissi operations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.156.0.157 (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Comparable to Spetsnaz?!
I think this is hardly correct. Finnish sissi units are normal conscripts, and do not do _anything_ that MVD Spetsnaz do during peacetime. And saying that they're comparable to Spetsnaz invokes a image that they're the Finnish SAS or Delta Force or something. They're not. Think infantry battalions spread over large areas - or in other words, guerrillas! Ruo-kone 20:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You're absolutely right,comparing sissi-groups to guerillas or any other mostly on terroristic basis operating groups,no matter what they are called,sounds weird.As a reconnaince troopleader I concider it nearly as an insult,we were trained to be the eyes of the Big Man,so he would be able to see the future and what the men under his command would face in the front of their rifles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.85.146.233 (talk) 12:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

guerrilla?
Finnish Border Guard (also FDF) where I serve my duty trains sissi troops, guerilla troops so to speak, but we are strictly under government/military control and only 'political' aim is to maintain sovereignty of our country! We aren't terrorist or guerillas in that sense even we use IDE's and ambushes and other terrorist/asymmetric tactics, but only for hard i,e. legal military targets! Border Jaegers, border sissis are under ministry of internal affairs as spetznatz in Russia and we have trained to fight against them because they do anti guerilla tactics in our area of operations against us. 6 month of training is same than in every other western or eastern military. In Russia Spetznatz continue serving and do some auxilary training but all the important stuff will and can be trained in a 6 to 12 months. Most of my information is secret and my oath will prevent me to tell the details but this article about Finnish light infantry is accurate but ofc more data can be included in it also! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.8.75.186 (talk) 16:33, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

a) The Finnish army no longer trains soldiers under this name. There are also no sissi units presently (now reconnaissance). b) Sissi troops certainly never were guerrillas at least if you belive wiki's definition of guerrilla! They are/were reconnaissance (in force) troops and/or [commando]]s. 213.243.181.212 19:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

a) At least Jaeger Brigade in Sodankylä still train troops under this name, according to their website (http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/joukot/jpr/jpr_sissik.dsp).

b) True, sissi troops are trained in forced reconnaissance and for commando operations, but finnish word sissi translates as guerilla, and in wartime situation these troops can act (in part) as wikis definition of guerilla, albeit being part of a regular army.

I don't see any point of comparing Spetsnaz and sissitroops, conscripts and professional soldiers are two different things. User:Woden 21.09.2006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.102.12.151 (talk) 14:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Definition of Guerilla
I agree with Woden, in that Sissis are not Spetsnaz or Royal Marine Commandos. That said, a guerilla does not have to be a soldier at all. He could be a soldier or he could be an irritated farmer or fisherman. If carries arms openly and obeys the laws of war, he is legally a guerilla. (rather than a terrorist. His proffessional standing doesn't matter, and the term guerilla has been accurately applied to everything from Viet Cong to Polish Boy Scouts (WWII) to the Continental Minutemen of the American revolutionary war. V. Joe 18:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

…Even though sissi translates as guerilla, technically sissi troops are light infantry. Creidiki 07:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Etymology
The article should contain the etymology of the term "sissi" in this context. J I P | Talk 10:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed; I am a reservist trained as a sissi recon squad leader (secondary spec sissi platoon leader) but I cannot find a reliable source for the etymology of the word "sissi". I found a source I cannot vouch for at http://www.genealogia.fi/nimet/nimi118s.htm (in Finnish) with vague theories about the name having Russian roots, which is indeed possible since Finnish has a lot of Russian loanwords. Words like "spy", "thief", "(police)inspector" etc are mentioned. Anyone feel like taking this "investigation" further? Jedku (talk) 17:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Naming of the article
After reading these discussions, i suggest that the article should be renamed to something like Sissi (finnish light infantry), since the word guerilla seems to be somewhat misleading. Any objections? Woden 14:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * After considerable time has elapsed since my question, and no objections has been raised, i have moved this article to Sissi (Finnish light infantry) Woden (talk) 23:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Article is a mixture of historical and outdated information
The article is a weird mixture of historical (correct) and outdated (no longer correct) information. The most obvious example of the latter is the fact that sissi companies, sissi training etc. are discussed in the present tense even if all such companies seem to have been renamed to recon companies, border jaeger companies etc. The only remaining MOS-equivalent I can find with the word "sissi" in it seem to be the "sissiradisti". Especially the sections on Training, Weapons and equipment and Future of Sissi Troops in FDF and Border Guard all need to be rewritten and/or updated to reflect the present state of affairs in the FDF and the changing terminology. The article should clearly differentiate between the historical "sissi" concept (and associated troops/units) and the training provided by the successor units. It might be worth considering splitting the article into two separate articles along this division: one article for the historical concept and another for FDF recon units, including the sissiradisti and special border jaegers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljleppan (talk • contribs) 11:36, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

This requires a separate section to describe the training I went through late 80s / early 90s. We were quite effectively trained to not only raids and sabotage, but to hunt down and destroy Spetsnaz units. Sissivanska (talk) 07:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

This needs a proper explanation of modern history
When I served in the late 80s / early 90s as a Sissi Officer, our training included methods and tactics in pursuit/destruction of enemy Special Forces units. It doesn't take much to figure out who we're talking about and you wouldn't send boy scouts to chase after Spetsnaz either, right? In that time Sissi NCOs and COs got SF style training that was then to be transferred to the teams we'd lead in a war time. The goal was to call the Nollaluokan Kiireysjoukot (similar concept to Tier 1) in the service few months before the start of the hostilities, so the officers could train their team. We'd also get authority to take any supplies including vehicles from private businesses who'd receive an I-OWE-YOU document they could use to charge the government for all the supplies we'd take. There's a lot heck of a lot information missing from this page to be honest... I'd start by not comparing us almost 50-year old Sissis to any of this modern humbug. My battle partner is still in the combat troops classification, so we're not gone anywhere. I can take over wiring a section explaining the changes, rather than forgetting the training we went through. Sissivanska (talk) 07:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Similar units in Estonia
Someone could add some info on similarly-called units in Estonia (sissid). H2ppyme (talk) 17:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)