Talk:Sita/Archive 1

Links
Is the Ramesh Menon link meant as a reference? I only enquire as I'm reading the book now. I'm not sure the following merits a link but its an entertaining look at the Ramayana from Sita's viewpoint: Sita Sings the Blues Khiradtalk 14:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

This should be moved to Sita
Because the "Devi" part is honorific. Wikipedia is a secular entity. See how it uses Muhammad and Jesus, not "Prophet Muhammad" or "Jesus Christ"--202.156.6.54 12:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. And it was Sita originally, perhaps moved because of the confusion with a company. Imc 16:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Sita Devi → Sita — This is the name she's more commonly known by. "Sita Devi" is what ISKCON calls her. Hnsampat 21:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Survey
Add  * Support   or   * Oppose   on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~.


 * Support per reasons given in RfM and for reasons noted in section above. --Hnsampat 21:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Support per HNsampat --Arvind 11:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
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 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Vaidehi
Vaidehi's name meaning can be incorporated in section Etymology of the name Sita. The other info in the Vaidehi article, exists in Sita. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redtigerxyz (talk • contribs) 11:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, the Vaidehi article should be immediately merged into this one. --Hnsampat 13:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merged, all information already present in article --Redtigerxyz 17:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia quality standards
Salutations,

I am translating articles about India to the Portuguese Wikipedia. I was in course of translating the article about Sita. It seems complete, but there is a message at the top of the article saying that it doesn't meet Wikipedia's quality standards. I can't see what is wrong with the quality of the article; could someone explain it to me? What can I change about it to make it better, and then translate it?

Thanks in advance, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanscrit1234 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The biggest problem is that it's unsourced and tries to pass off various elements of Sita as "fact." Much has been written about Sita and there are a wide variety of beliefs about her. I don't think it's fair to take any single belief and treat it as fact. Instead, the article should discuss what various Ramayanas by various authors have said about Sita and what beliefs different people have developed about her. --Hnsampat 02:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

pic of ravana and sita
That's cool pic. Where's it from?--Dangerous-Boy 09:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Really —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.210.26 (talk) 19:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyrighted content
I have removed content taken from. The main page of this site states that the content is copyright protected. Imc (talk) 16:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

truly a farce if there ever was one
Think about it for a second. Ramma devotes all his time and energy to rescuing Sita from his enemies, and then casts her aside when one of his subjects questions if she maintained her fidelity while a captive of the rakshas simply to save face. I don't call that epic or even tragic, I call it a farce. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.12.34 (talk) 04:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Lord Rama never for one second doubted Srimati Sita's fidelity. Yes, He banished Her to appease His subjects, but knowing all the while that Sita would be vindicated. He played a headgame with His subjects. When Sita returned, and She endured the trial by fire, Lord Rama still pretended to doubt Her. She was vindicated by not being touched by Lord Agni (fire) who was in on the game. Read the Ramayana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.68.194.3 (talk) 20:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Ethinic Group
From Maithili language. The name Maithili is derived from the word Mithila, an ancient kingdom of which King Janaka was the ruler (see Ramayana). Maithili is also one of the names of Sita, the wife of King Rama and daughter of King Janaka. Scholars in Mithila used Sanskrit for their literary work and Maithili was the language of the common folk (Abahatta).

From Mithila (region). Mithila holds a significant value in Hinduism as it is thought to be the birthplace of Sita, the wife of Rama. ShotgunMavericks ❯❯❯    🕊✍🏻   21:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

The ethnic group "Maithil" is used for people speaking Maithili language. Until the Vedic period only Sanskrit was spoken in Mithila (please see Kingdom of the Videhas). Maithili is believed to be derived much later from Magadhi Prakrit or ardhamagahi. As the Maithili language was spoken in the area where Sita was born (or believed to be born), the native residents named the language after Her. As there is no source to prove that Sita herself spoke Maithili (and not Sanskrit), we should not add the ethnic group in info box. Jakichandan (talk) 03:07, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

By the way, incidentally the information which you have cited from the Mithila (region) page, in the last paragraph, was added my me in the article. Jakichandan (talk) 03:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Birth Place of Sita and Narendra Modi
Present Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi revealed birthplace of Sita in Janakpur. Please replace Sitamarhi with Janakpur, Nepal.

(49.126.0.41 (talk) 06:27, 12 January 2015 (UTC))

The reference used saying Sitamarhi is birthplace is in itself claiming Sita was born in Janakpur. So it is not factual source. Please use factual source only. It is not about the country but the fact. Tulsirama (talk) 07:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Recent edits regarding birthplace
Some sources like this describes present-day Sitamarhi district, Bihar, India to be the birthplace of Sita. While some other sources like this describes present-day Janakpur, Province No. 2, Nepal to be birthplace of Sita. What should we do here to maintain WP :NPOV. Some people believe Janakpur to be her birthplace while some others believe Sitamarhi district. Religion is a matter of personal believes, IMO. Thanks — Jakichandan (talk) 14:07, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Does what we have in place presently not address that to your satisfaction? El_C 14:38, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It does. However, it looks that we need page protection as disruptions are likely considering recent POV pushing by some IPs/new editors including a sock. Thanks.—Jakichandan (talk) 15:00, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2020
Recent two edits by user Adnan11 in on 04:56, 10 May 2020‎ and 04:58, 10 May 2020‎ are vandalism and without any source. They need to be reverted. There is no historian named Walt Mickey and no documented evidence that Ram and Sita were siblings and that they were 17 and 3 years old when married. Nazgul jay (talk) 15:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done - feel free to discuss with to come to a consensus.  GoingBatty (talk) 16:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

should we add: she is also referred to as "Sita mayya" OR "sita mother"
Hi,

What I know is that : she is also referred to as "Sita mayya" OR "sita mother"

Shouldn't this also be added? Abbasquadir (talk) 18:22, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

No, these are honorific titles, not an alias (Wikipedia policies don't allow to use honorific) .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 05:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2021
Ak0956g (talk) 04:20, 21 April 2021 (UTC) SITA WAS BORN IN NEPAL NOT INDIA. ITS SAYS ITS DISPUTED IT IS NOT DISPUTTED. WHOLE WORLD KNOWS SITA IS FROM NEPAL. INDIANS TRY TO MAKE CONFUSION SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE PRIDE IN SAYING SITA WAS BRON IN INDIA BUT ITS IS NOT. YOU NEED TO FIX THAT.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 15 (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2021
I want to add some more names of Maata Sita and I want to provide some beautiful facts about her. It will just be a minor edit. Radharani888 (talk) 17:06, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:52, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2021
Change the picture. The picture depicted is not of Sita. Raja Ravi Varma's painting that is used in this page is that of Shakuntala and not Sita. Reference: https://ravivarma.org/shakunthala-lost-in-thoughts-by-raja-ravi-varma/ 81.236.175.161 (talk) 04:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: which picture would you like to be used instead? Edit requests are handled best in a "change X to Y" format. See: c:Category:Sita.  TG HL ↗  14:18, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2021 (2)
I have earlier requested change to photo. It is incorrectly done. 245CMR

Please change picture to https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/sita-and-the-golden-deer-or-sita-suvarna-mrig-ravi-varma-press/PwGt2H19QEqGCw?hl=en

The existing picture is not of Sita. It is Shakuntala. https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/shakuntala-s-impending-calamity-raja-ravi-varma/MwG_EbYmd7ExMw?hl=en It's an insult to the artist, whose pictures are wrongly used. https://ravivarma.org/shakunthala-lost-in-thoughts-by-raja-ravi-varma/ 81.236.175.161 (talk) 16:33, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

No, see this lithograph is based on that Shakuntala painting, see the bottom of teh current picture . 245CMR . •👥📜 16:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Even arts and culture confirms it. See,  . 245CMR . •👥📜 16:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

The footnote of Shakuntala painting states that "However, curiously, this painting forms the exemplar for a chromolithograph titled 'Sita-Vanavas' where it depicts the scene of Seeta being abandoned in the forest and sheltered by Valmiki in his ashram. Making the narrative even more interesting is that when printed as a postcard, the very same image says it depicts Sita in the Ashoka-Van when she is captured by Ravan." Check it . 245CMR . •👥📜 16:55, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Explained by 245CMR ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:15, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2021
Please change picture to https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/sita-and-the-golden-deer-or-sita-suvarna-mrig-ravi-varma-press/PwGt2H19QEqGCw?hl=en

The existing picture is not of Sita. It is Shakuntala. https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/shakuntala-s-impending-calamity-raja-ravi-varma/MwG_EbYmd7ExMw?hl=en 81.236.175.161 (talk) 04:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Done, this lithograph is based on that painting, but it is confirmed to be sita. . 245CMR . •👥📜 15:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See below. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2021
Please change "real daughter" and "natural daughter" to "biological daughter". Sita was both real and natural in the context of Ramayana. 70.114.100.130 (talk) 21:29, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Link20XX (talk) 23:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2021
95.34.116.250 (talk) 09:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC) Sita Birthplace. In Valmiki's Ramayana, Sita is said to have been discovered in a furrow in a ploughed field, believed to be Sitamarhi in Mithila region of present-day [[Janakpur Nepal].
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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unable to change info box image
info box image gives less info about the goddess as her iconography. it would be best if imageas as https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Ram-Sita.jpg/640px-Ram-Sita.jpg or https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/BhaktiMandir_RamSita_View1.jpg/640px-BhaktiMandir_RamSita_View1.jpg

as these images describe her more accurately the way in which she is revered by indians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.72.153 (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

unable to change info box image
SITA IS A REVERED GODDESS IN HINDUISM. SHE IS WORSHIPPED IN ALMOST ALL RAM TEMPLES WITH HIM. SHE IS KNOWN FOR HER BEAUTY, SANCTITY AND DEVOTION. INFO BOX IMAGES ARE ONES WHICH GENERALLY GIVE COMPREHENSIVE INFO ABOUT CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PARTICULAR ARTICLE .THE CURRENT IMAGE IN INFOBOX OF THE GODDESS DOESNT GIVE COMPLETE INFO ABOUT HER ATTRIBUTES .. SHE IS WORSHIPPED IN A WAY SHOWN BY THE FOLLOWING IMGES -

1)https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sitamarhi6.JPG 2) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sita_at_isckon_temple.jpg REASON - THESE ARE SOLO AS WELL AS DEPICTING HER MORE ELOBORATELY AS WELL. IT WOULD BE BETTER IF INFO BOX IMAGES ARE LIKE ABOVE.. Pointn (talk) 07:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * See WP:RNPOV. This page is not about Sita as a Goddess, and your comments do not carry any weight for that reason. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The current image is a historic 11th century representation of Sita alone; while other images are modern images. Redtigerxyz  Talk 17:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox
Discuss here the addition of Statue image in infobox done by User:Redtigerxyz since April 2022. Need Consesus for its addition in infobox. Comment Honestly I agree it's a vulgar representation of a revered godess of a major world religion. We should put bit descent image in infobox like Moses, Zoroaster and countless other revered figures have. Also simply it being a 12 century statue as opposed to 19 century paiting is no valid argument; there is no wiki policy which state "the older the better". Plus the statue looks very dubious. Is it even Sita? or a random female figure just labelled Sita by the uploader? There is no caption visible in the photo by the museum stating it's identity, hence very dubious image.PersianV (talk) 22:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * LACMA recognizes it as Sita. There is nothing vulgar about it. There are various bare-chested ancient goddess icons worshipped in India. This is nothing, but WP:CENSORSHIP. I am okay with Ravi Varma lithograph too.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 07:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree. Nothing vulgar. I am ok with the Ravi Varma lithograph too, but none of these 'goddess in a temple' images. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

unable to change infobox image
Regards

i agree its nothing wrong in the present image of infobox

but is this the way we indians perceive her?

she is central goddess of rama centric traditions

she is worshipped and venerated in all parts of india, being infobox image of a "goddess" it would be best if an image is added the way she worshipped rather than some painting Pointn (talk) Pointn (talk) 11:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Need consensus for the above Pointn (talk) 12:59, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

need consensus for addition of image as infobox image
File:Goddess Sita in Sitamarhi.jpg

need consensus for adding above image as infobox image Hipophi (talk) Hipophi (talk) Hipophi (talk) 16:55, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose low-quality blurred image. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:00, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Need verifiability. And, what is with that lip stick? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

What about this image- https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Goddess_Sita.jpg Plus Points- 1) it is from ISKCON juhu one of the famous iskcon temple of Sita Ram in india. 2) it has complete description of the goddess with complete shringar and dressings 3) for the unversed( those who don't belong to india) this image gives perfect ideology of how goddess Sita is revered and worshipped in india. Hipophi (talk) Hipophi (talk) Hipophi Hipophi (talk) 05:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Rama, Sita and Lakshmana are first and foremost characters in Ramayana. The fact that people worship them doesn't mean that they are gods and goddesses. That is not their defining characteristic. Please stop WP:POV pushing. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

So,A goddess who is worshipped in almost all Vaishnav temples along with her husband ram in all parts of India is a mere character of a text.?? A goddess who is considered as supreme mother by hanuman and ram centric traditions is merely a character?? And at last infobox image must give complete idea about iconography of the article.is this the way she is perceived by indians??? "The fact that people worship them doesn't mean that they are gods and goddesses" line hurts sentiments of Indian people who consider ram sita as supreme beings.... Hipophi (talk) 03:45, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

To be specific ramanandi sect of Vaishnavism consider ram sita as supreme being, so according to @Kautilya3 they are fools?? Hipophi (talk) 03:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

In india even if someone great is worshipped  in village they are considered gramdevta Ram and Sita are worshipped in all corners of the country in ram Temples, some Isckon Temples this itself is sufficient to show that they are gods and goddesses, apart from that in india ram sita is considered as lakshmi narayana themselves ok. Hipophi (talk) 04:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

That is divine picture of goddess Sita - Accept Koohip (talk) 16:28, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

That is a nice picture for depictions of Sita,it depicts her humble and divinity perfectly Hitffin (talk) 03:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:RNPOV. The fact that some people regard them as gods and goddesses doesn't make them so for Wikipedia. Only what the reliable sources can be the basis for Wikipedia. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - Image is definitely not a direct image. It's taken probably from some other primary source. Also, the accounts Hitffin and Koohip don't look genuine to me. They have no contribution on any article and are recently created for pushing a particular POV. What's your take on this Kautilya3 and Redtigerxyz? Kridha (talk) 11:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, POV pushing seems to have started around January 2021, and has been going on incessantly. The image dispute is the latest manifestation of it. I think all this WP:OR needs to be reverted and any other unsourced content tagged. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose ISKCON Juhu image. Modern non-historical image. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 12:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

latter part of page being very poorly written
subject says it all Unnunoctium (talk) 20:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Birth place of Sita
According to the epic Ramayana, Sita, the wife of Lord Rama, was born in the kingdom of Mithila. Mithila is believed to be located in present-day Nepal, near the border with India. Sita is often referred to as "Maithili," which signifies her connection to Mithila. Her birthplace is described as Janakpur, the capital city of Mithila, where she was found by King Janaka while plowing the fields. Krn1.618 (talk) 10:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * According to the Hindu Scriptures. When you read the real Valmiki Ramayana it clearly states Sita was born in Janakpur which is in present day Nepal. Rishabh.b.s (talk) 17:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2023
According to the scriptures, through which the Current Ramayana was shown, we can see that Sita was born in Janakpur, Nepal, and not in some place in India. This is a fabrication of the truth and injustice to the writer and the people of Nepal. Rishabh.b.s (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 17:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Birthplace
Birthplace is NOT DISPUTED!

References: https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/nepal-s-janakpur-ready-to-welcome-pm-modi-final-touches-being-given-for-his-grand-reception-1230807-2018-05-10 https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/indian-prime-minister-modi-arrives-in-janakpur 103.167.232.23 (talk) 08:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2023
Please change the seventeen to eighteen to reflect the new national hero added in 2022. 188.141.121.236 (talk) 00:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)