Talk:Sivatherium

Sivatherium depicted on a Sumerian rein ring?
I stumbled upon an article in American Anthropologist (New Series, Vol. 38, No. 4 (Oct. - Dec., 1936), pp. 605-608) that showed a rein ring with a Sivatherium on it. It was at the 3500 BC level which makes it 500 years after the rock paintings mentioned in the article. 64.56.87.4 (talk) 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * In Exotic Zoology (1959), Willy Ley noticed that one of the animals on the Ishtar Gate in Babylon, a "dragon" had many anatomical features in common with Sivatherium.

Here's an article on that Sumerian artifact: http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2011/04/25/sumerian-sivathere-figurine/

Kortoso (talk) 23:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, I see absolutely no resemblance. FunkMonk (talk) 05:09, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It's also possible that this was the source of the legendary Chinese Qilin. Kortoso (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Highly highly highly unlikely as no Sivatheriine giraffes have ever been found in China, period, and that all other Chinese giraffes went extinct before humans evolved upright posture, let alone left Africa, during the late Miocene. That, we can not insert original research claims without any substantial study or evidence to confirm, back or even logically explain such statements up.--Mr Fink (talk) 23:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Image removal concerns
The image of a reconstruction published in Richard Lydekker (who was involved in the study of Siwalik mammals) was removed as incorrect. It will be appreciated if editors can actually cite reliable sources for the current reconstruction and also cite sources pointing out the errors that were made in reconstructions in the past. If such citations are not provided it raises concerns of POV and WP:OR. Thanks. Shyamal 03:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Among other things, the neck looks too short, and the face does not look like that of a giraffid: it looks more like the face of a saiga antelope, actually. More up to date reconstructions would be like the one on page 70 of Horns, Tusks, and Flippers by Donald Prothero, or the reconstructions of Sivatherium maurisium done by Mauricio Anton for Evolving Eden .--Mr Fink 05:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the rationale, although I am still uncomfortable with the colourful illustration in the taxobox showing a series of dewlap like lumps along the lower side of the neck. It may indeed be more correct, but citations of the source in on which it was based could be added in the caption to make it more acceptable. Shyamal 05:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
This article states that Libytherium is a junior synonym of Sivatherium, in which case, the former should not require its own page. The Libytherium page itself does not mention this (or much else, for that matter), but it does quote the only species of that genus as L. olduvaiense, while an S. olduvaiense is listed here, implying that they are, indeed, the same species. Anaxial (talk) 10:01, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible images for use
I have found non-copyrighted images located here. It's a Heinrich Harder illustration published in Prehistoric Animals (1908.)  There's also a colored version.Tsarevna (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's already in the image gallery section. ArthurWeasley (talk) 19:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I suggest using this image, as it seems much more realistic than the Sivatherium giganteum one in the article, and is very detailed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.86.154.90 (talk) 17:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The only problem is that that picture happens to be copyrighted, and we can not use it without the artist's written permission to do so.--Mr Fink (talk) 21:08, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

"Largest ruminant in history"
What is the basis for the statement "A newer estimate has come up with an estimated body mass of about 1,250 kg (2,760 lb). This would make Sivatherium the largest ruminant in history." when giraffes have exceeded 4,200 lbs and gaur 3,000? I don't understand how this would give any Sivatherium species the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke Beall (talk • contribs) 06:24, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Zoo Tycoon 2 Sivatherium
Include Sivatherium being in Zoo Tycoon 2? 174.24.104.56 (talk) 20:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Is not notable enough to create an "In Popular Culture" section just for the sake of a video game.--Mr Fink (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)