Talk:Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence

With the exception of Overture and Losing Time?
Who was the idiot/ignorant who wrote in the article "Each portion (track) is intended to represent a different mental illness, with the exception of Overture and Losing Time"? Overture is the introduction or presentataion to ALL the mental illnesses that follow. Losing Time is obviously a mental illness (amnesia) just as the other ones. Or maybe the person who said it is not is so amnesic that forgot amnesia is a mental illness.

I'll erase that senseless entry from the article.

F15x28 04:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC) -Agree. (But in Losing Time, the person with the illness is suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.74.219.145 (talk) 20:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree. (But there's no need to be so harsh) The Illusional Ministry 17:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

untiteled
is disc 2 one track consisting of a song with 8 movements. or 8 tracks each of which are a movement to the one song —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.223.203 (talk • contribs)
 * The latter. It was orignially (I believe) meant to be one song and one track, but Mike Portnoy said somewhere that they decided to split the song into 8 tracks just so people wouldn't have to fast forward and rewind endlessly to find their favorite part of the song. -- Loudsox 18:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The Great Debate?
I think something should be said about this track, since it details the controversy of stem cell research. Is that not worth mentioning?


 * More than that. Dream Theater, like inspiration Rush (band), seem to take a slightly-leaning-right centrist (but maybe not completely objectivist) stance on the issues they write about.  This may not be clearly evident in their "issue" songs (The Great Debate, In The Name of God, Sacrificed Sons) but it seems to me that their politics may only be an issue because they are not following in the footsteps of mainstream rock opinion (Green Day, the Rolling Stones' "My Sweet Neocon," Radiohead's "Hail to the Theif" and most of Muse's new album).


 * I don't know if it's worth it to talk about the politics of Dream Theater on the main article, because when you come down to it, the only side they've shown is that they're not militantly Anti-Bush. It would be interesting to see only in that it follows that DT doesn't subscribe to trends in their music, but only if the majority of interested Wikipedians could agree that a heavy anti-Bush sentiment is currently a trend in popular music. Matzoball1982 18:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, politics on this article are not worth it. You have to keep in mind that John Petrucci and John Myung are both very religious. The others may be as well. Religious people generally tend to be against stem-cell research and abortion. And, not surprisingly, Petrucci recieves credit for the lyrics of that song. So "The Great Debate" may not necessarily reflect all of the band's political viewpoints............65.100.179.145 03:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

the first time i heard it, i thought "the great debate" was anti-stem cell research, haha. --Progjunky 08:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

they claim (going to try and find a source) that the point of the song is that it presents both sides of the argument, and I think that it does that quite well. For almost every argument there is presented a counter-argument. Incidentally, note that LaBrie is ChristianDTFAQ site, and Portnoy is (nominally) Jewish. So the background is there. They do come from NY though... Matsuya 20:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that they try to present both sides and that the song is less biased than the authors. But still there's a number of points where their opinion shows up, even if they do not draw any conclusion; saying "certain scientific circles" instead of "scientists" or "the majority of scientists" sounds disparaging to my Italian ear (I do know that there's still a lot of debate and I might be wrong, so my expressions might be less correct).
 * The twelve steps of Alcoholics Anonymous do not make sense without a religion, so one can guess that Mike Portnoy is religious, and this seems to complete the picture (exception made for Jordan Rudess). And the lyrics of The Great Debate seem biased. "Are you justified in taking life to save life?" already assumes that that of an embryo is a (implicitly human) life (they don't say human, but the question doesn't make a lot of sense unless you claim this). I'm not discussing the point here obviously, but that _is_ an opinion not shared by everybody (I'm not taking any position _here_, but I am one of those claiming that there's a big difference between the life of an embryo and the one of a foetus). And to me, the answer to this question lies between "almost never" and "never", and it's a much less controversial question than "is an embryo a human being?".
 * If the question is meant to express one of the points of view, then I misunderstood it a bit, but since it's in the refrain that's biased. For the "other refrain", "turn to the light, don't be frightened of the shadows it creates", I'm unsure about the side this comes on - it says "ok, there are problems (shadows), but please, just don't care!". Again, nowhere they say "that's not yet human life". --Blaisorblade (talk) 17:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

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The Glass Prison is one song
Regarding this bit in the introduction; "The number of songs on the record is another "nugget" by Mike Portnoy. The album officially has the smallest number of songs on any Dream Theater album, but if the parts of "The Glass Prison" and "SDOIT" are counted as separate songs, it has 15 songs, the largest number on a Dream Theater album."

An argument can be made for the title track counting as different songs, since it's split into 8 tracks on the album, but The Glass Prison is clearly one song. Yes, there are labeled sections, but musically, it's very clearly one song, and I don't know anyone who considers it more than one, while many people consider "Six Degrees" to be 8 songs. 142.68.89.100 (talk) 04:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Influences
I've removed two unsources influences on the album, i.e. Radiohead's The Bends and Megadeth's Rust in Peace. For the first, Mike Portnoy says they were inspired by the subsequent Radiohead's album, i.e. OK Computer. I'd take MP's word on this, unless another source contradicting him is shown.

For the second influence, one song is actually mentioned in another entry of the FAQ (link added), but I narrowed the reference to mention only that song; now, it's obviously possible that DT listened to the whole album and not only to that song, but claiming the whole album was an influence is another thing. I checked other influences and they're all backed by that source. --Blaisorblade (talk) 16:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Similarity between The great debate and Tool
This change removed this sentence, which sounds really reasonable to me (I thought the same before reading, even if I didn't restrict the similarity down to a specific song):
 * Some parts of this song sound extremely similar to the central melody of the song "Forty-Six & 2" by the band Tool, specifically the part where the refrain of "life to save life" is sung by LaBrie.

See for a fan saying this. Beyond that, the album Ænima album, containing that song, is explicitly acknowledged as an inspiration. Is it possible to find some way to add this to the article? --Blaisorblade (talk) 19:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Another source:, though less detailed. --Blaisorblade (talk) 19:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Layout change
I made a substantial edit last night and just put a message here for feedback/complaints in case people wanted to discuss/challenge things. --Preposterone 10th June 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 13:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC).

Steven Schwartzberg
The information that the work was based on Steven S. Schwartzberg's Casebook of Psychological Disorders is currently unverifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.143.20.164 (talk) 10:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Progressive metal
Any reliable sources for this? Much like Scenes from a Memory, it seems criminal to leave out what should be the pre-eminent genre, which can be deduced by anyone with a brain. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:10, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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