Talk:Six Flags (1961–2024)/Archive 1

Article
Based on this article, http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11687695.htm, Six Flags is most likely banning all sex offenders from their parks. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:13, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Six Flags Darien Lake
I looked but could not find the name of Darien Lake's water park. Anyone know the actual name?
 * It doesn't use any particular name, the sections of it are called Hook's Lagoon, Crocodile Isle and Barracuda Bay, but it doesn't use the generic Six Flags moniker of "Hurrican Harbor." Zotdragon 15:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Darien Lake's water park is completely included with the park, and is not a seperate entity of any kind. Therefore there isn't a complete "name" and no reason to list it seperately on the site. ClarkCT 05:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

PARC Operations References
I won't edit the page because I prefer to stick to my local pages (Darien Lake), but FYI: to edit your wiki links as you see fit, articles now exist on the following as shown: Thanks. ClarkCT 05:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * PARC Management, the official name of PARC 7F Operations.
 * CNL Income Properties, without the "Inc.".

Trivia
How is it that Six Flags is said to own 30 parks in the trivia section despite the fact that the first few lines of the article specify that they have 21? It looks like this portion of the article is out of date, so it should be either corrected or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.133.132 (talk) 02:18, 21 April 2007‎

"Six Flags"
regarding the Six Flags: This is not "alleged." The following flags have flown over the state of Texas at one point of time or another: Spain, France, Mexico, The Republic of Texas, The United States and the Confederate States of America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Txredcoat (talk • contribs) 13:04, 23 April 2005 (UTC)

I'm not saying it is, i just dont think there should be a link to SFOT there.(Also sign your posts)Nathanhillinbl 20:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

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Criticism and Controversy
This section seems biased and poorly written, I'd like to delete it unless it can be revised. 74.67.53.38 22:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

"mainly due to 9/11"
Why do you say that SF's debt is attributed to 9/11? Everyone knows that 9/11 overall helped hurt the US economy. Therefore I removed it and I don't think it should be put back (unless there is a specific reason SF was hurt by 9/11.)

The events of September 11, 2001 had little to do with Six Flags' enormous debt. They essentially bit off more than they could chew by acquiring so many smaller parks. Their attempt at re-branding these parks was a failure and they lost money. The management at Premier Parks destroyed Six Flags when they took over; most of them were real estate brokers who knew little about operating a chain of themed parks. I'm quite certain that those people would like for you to believe it was all because of September 11, 2001. I have little doubt that's what they like people to believe. Jay77tx 12:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Six Flags New Orleans
At this point, the company still owns and has rights to operate Six Flags New Orleans. I see no reason to put it under 'formerly owned/operated'. Just because it is currently closed doesn't mean they don't still own the park.

They want out of New Orleans. They've already pulled some of their hardware from the park and moved it elsewhere. Besides, Six Flags never owned the property upon which the park sits... they are only leasing it from the city of New Orleans. Jay77tx 12:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Article rewrite
I worked on revising the flow and wording of the article. I think it reads a lot better, with fewer headings and a natural, timeline flow to it. I'm certainly open to opinions and other editors' revisions. One idea I had was regarding the listing of Six Flags' properties. I think this would look a lot better as a table, with columns for park name, location, year park opened, year it became a Six Flags park and lastly a notes section for any additional noteworthy data (such as Six Flags New Orleans being closed indefinitely due to Katrina damage). For the former properties, it should include the name, the year it opened, the year it joined the family, the year it left and a notes section for what happened (closed, sold, etc.) I'm going out of town this weekend, and was wondering if someone with more table experience could start this. Let's keep at it! --McDoobAU93 12:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Premier Parks
My primary problem with the current property list is that you say "listed in order they joined the six flags family" but the parks purchsed by Premier prior to Premier purchasing Six Flags are listed in that same order, as in the year Premier bought them, not Six Flags Theme Parks (the company prior to 2000 when Premier Parks PKS reorganized under Six Flags Inc SFI). I realize this is confusing in itself trying to sort SFTP from SFI in the first place, but the order "purchased by six flags" is incorrect. I'm not sure how to rectify this, other than to split them out or denote which company they were a part of prior to being purchased by which company. (Is this comment confusing yet?)

And I agree that there isn't enough info about Premier Parks here, which there should be as they are technically the original formation of the current Six Flags Incorporated. →ClarkCTTalk @ 00:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think what I was most trying for with these tables was to reflect when they became "flagged" parks, as it were. Unfortunately, that term really isn't encyclopedic, and you're right in that the terms currently presented are kinda murky, since many of the older Premier Parks had been acquired by Premier and then were "flagged" after Premier acquired the Six Flags brand.  Maybe it should say "the year it became a Six Flags park," but that would leave out parks like Great Escape, which is owned by the company but not "flagged."


 * McDoobAU93 (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm working on coming up with a new format, probably still in a table but either divided or with added columns. Unfortunately everything I can think of is probably going to get confusing. I'll keep working on it. &rarr;ClarkCTTalk @ 00:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've got a new set of tables for the current properties - you can preview it at my Sandbox. If you have any problems with it please let me know. It may read somewhat confusing, but I think with a little expansion about Premier in the rest of the article, which may be my next project, it should be fine. &rarr;ClarkCTTalk @ 02:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Warner Bros. Movie World parks
What about the Warner Bros. Movie World park in Australia? I have seen the Warner Bros. Movie World parks in Germany and Spain, on the Six Flags web site, years ago. I never saw the same web site ever list the Australian park but it is still open. Can someone explain to me the status of the Australian park, past and present? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.65.109.102 (talk) 22:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * WBMW Australia is operated by Village Roadshow, presumably under license from Warner Bros., according to Screamscape. Six Flags has never had a hand in this park. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 22:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Citation
Will add citation about recently rolledback edit about Geauga Lake later. Nathanhillinbl (talk) 11:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I googled several key words searching for some news article that Six Flags has re-acquired the Geauga Lake park ... nothing. If you decide to add this back, include your citation at that time so it can be verified by other editors. Additional research suggests no such transaction has occurred, as Cedar Fair's website still shows Geauga Lake as being one of their properties, and Six Flags' website does not show any parks in Ohio.


 * Fair warning: fansites or rumor websites do not count as verifiable or reliable sources. For what it's worth, many of the rumor websites I do read, such as Screamscape, are usually well ahead of the curve when it comes to chains unloading parks. Screamscape has said that Cedar Fair is considering unloading some parks, and Cedar Fair has confirmed that they are considering that action; Screamscape listed parks on the chopping block, while Cedar Fair merely said it was exploring its options. Neither mentioned Geauga Lake.


 * In summary, unless and until a verifiable source (no fansites or rumors) appears for this, Geauga Lake belongs in the "former properties" category.


 * McDoobAU93 (talk) 16:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
It states "the population". Population of what?
 * --- Population of the United States, sorry forgot to put that.

I asked for a citation on the passes offered for eating a cockroach during Fear Fest. I've never heard of this particular promotion. Does the whole "built from the ground up" thing only parks that were built solely by six flags, or does it mean built solely as a theme park? If its solely as a theme park, The Great Escape would fall into that category.Nathanhillinbl 03:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * —Is that better? Jcembree 04:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Angus Wynne and his partners built three parks: Six Flags Over Texas, Six Flags Over Georgia and Six Flags St. Louis, then known as Six Flags Over Mid America. After that, the company began acquiring parks and then appended "Six Flags" to their names. Since that time, based on my research, the corporate entity calling itself Six Flags (regardless of who owned it ... Bally's, Time Warner, Premier Parks, Daniel Snyder) has not constructed a new Six Flags theme park. Frankly, I don't believe the Dubailand development would count either, since it's being built by Tatweer under license. As to the water parks, technically they are Six Flags properties, so they could well count, and a few of those (for example, the Six Flags Hurricane Harbor locations at Magic Mountain and Great Adventure) have indeed been built by Corporate. The point of the statement is that only those three parks have been known as "Six Flags" parks since they first opened to the public. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 22:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Potential source
An anon IP added this news story discussing plans for Six Flags to refinance some of its debt ... but no content that this source corroborated. I'm moving it here in case somebody has a chance to incorporate the information into the article. -- McDoob AU  93  15:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Semi Lock this article
We need to semi protect this article. Please do this.--99 time 14:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockers99 (talk • contribs)

No u.140.198.42.45 (talk) 01:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Date of establishment
The article is in Category:Companies established in 1961, but the infobox gives 1962 as the year of establishment. Further, the article states  The correct date with a source/reference is needed. Senator2029 “Talk” 15:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

When did it open?
This article claims that Six Flags over Texas opened in 1954, the year before Disneyland opened. The actual article for Six Flags Over Texas claims that it was a visit to the recently opened Disneyland park that inspired the creation of the park, and that it opened in 1960. Which is it? MrItty (talk) 03:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The park Six Flags Over Texas opened on August 5, 1961. (Source: "Six Flags Over Texas Celebrates 50th Anniversary") However, this article "Six Flags" is about the marketing, operations, and management company. Senator2029 “Talk” 17:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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2010–present
Is it possible that instead of listing everything that had happened to the company in a timeline to summarize it a bit more? --Jpp858 (talk) 22:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Properties impacted from Covid19

 * The Campgrounds that are alongside Six Flags Darien Lake is not included in the "26 properties" that the company recognizes. 23 of which are in the United States and the other three are La Ronde, Mexico and Six Flags Hurricane Harbor Oaxtepec.
 * (Sources:
 * https://investors.sixflags.com/investor-overview/company-history
 * https://www.law.com/2020/04/14/six-flags-hit-with-class-actions-seeking-refunds-due-to-covid-19/?slreturn=20200610002609
 * https://www.iaapa.org/news/funworld/six-flags-reopens-enhanced-safety-protocols)
 * Six Flags Darien Lake is still currently closed. I assume the company, includes the campgrounds as the same operations with Darien Lake. They don't even list the campgrounds on their main SixFlags.com website, yet they do list Six Flags Great Escape Lodge & Indoor Waterpark. The two properties at Great Escape, as well as every other property listed on their main SixFlags.com website, is a total of "26" properties. I included Six Flags Safari on the list of properties due to the significance of it now operating separate from the theme park and that it was the first Six Flags attraction to open during these times. I can understand an argument of removing the Six Flags Safari from that list. Someone can add a note next to the "closed" Six Flags Darien Lake, stating that the campgrounds reopened on June 25 (if significant), similar to the notes placed on Discovery Kingdom and Great America listings. White Water Bay at Fiesta Texas opened later as well as Hurricane Harbor St. Louis than their respective theme parks, yet as well share the same operations as their respective parks, and don't have a listing on the main SixFlags.com website, so those two are not listed.--Jpp858 (talk) 04:54, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jpp858 stop changing the Darien Lake opening. The campgrounds are significant to the property, they bring in a lot of revenue for the theme park. Stop changing it, if Great America can have their water park registered as open then Darien Lake can have their campgrounds registered, both are significant. Dyll222 (talk) 15:58, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Where is your source about the campgrounds being open? This would need to be cited in the EFN note in order to remain. Also, according to Darien Lake's operating schedule, the park itself is considered closed. Therefore, the main entry in the chart for Darien Lake also needs to say "Closed". The campgrounds do not represent the park as a whole. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.sixflagsdarienlakelodging.com/campground-reopening/ Dyll222 (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Whoever was asking me there’s the source ^ Dyll222 (talk) 23:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , there is a reason we don't source SixFlags.com for information, and I believe GoneIn60, can explain more on that. But if you want to find sourcing for editing, this article can help with what references are considered reliable. I agree in removing the chart and focusing more on the individual park pages on the impact of COVID-19 on operations, (see Six Flags Fiesta Texas). --Jpp858 (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Dyll222, thanks for the response. There are different types of sources we can use in articles, and you can read WP:PSTS to learn more about that. We can use primary sources like the one from Six Flags you provided for certain claims, and this would be a situation where it qualifies. However, we need to keep a couple things in mind. First, the chart itself is a problem as discussed below and has been removed. Second, we take significant coverage into account before including content on Wikipedia. So even if we can verify something is true, it might not see the light of day on Wikipedia unless we're confident there's been a good amount of coverage in sources.Primary sources can verify something is true, but usually we also need secondary sources to show significant coverage. The campground doesn't have its own article and only has one line in the Darien Lake article for these reasons. It's a tiny aspect that doesn't deserve any attention here in the main Six Flags article, and tracking its COVID-19 situation is probably more suited for a blog or fan website as opposed to an encyclopedia, in my opinion. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 status chart
Beginning a new section here...I'm not sure the chart itself is encyclopedic. Per WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:NOTNEWS, Wikipedia shouldn't be used as an up-to-the-minute travel status of various amusement destinations and rides. We favor long-term, historical significance, and 15-20 years from now, the daily updates wouldn't have any real significance. The entire situation can be summed up in a brief sentence or two about the overall impact COVID-19 had on the park properties. In my opinion, the chart should be removed and instead allow the individual park articles to track reopening dates. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and that's why I have stayed away from this particular edit war. Things change daily and there's no reason for this content to be included in an article that is supposed to be about the company itself, not the individual parks.— JlACEer ( talk ) 18:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Getting to see y'all's opinion on it and feedback, I to believe that removing the table would be for the best. The Six Flags article should just list the impacts on the company and not the individual park itself. I agree to removing the table if it hasn't already. The things that impacted the company, is the company wide shutdown of operations and what has been implemented to stop the spread of the virus.--Jpp858 (talk) 22:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like we're in agreement! Since you contribute heavily to the Six Flags' articles, we can leave that part up to you (summing up the COVID-19 impact in prose). Obviously, it's still ongoing, so it would be worded in present tense until this thing is over. Also, feel free to remove the chart after waiting another day or two to see if anyone else chimes in. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)