Talk:Skate punk

This article needs to be deleted
In the 90s, pop punk bands were often influenced by 80s punk and hardcore, musically and lyrically. Pop punk today is more often influenced by bands such as Blink 182, Green Day, and New Found Glory who created pop punk music that has almost no resemblance to 80s punk and hardcore. Skate punk is not a real genre, it just describes a trend of pop punk in the 90s. Delete this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.179.7 (talk) 21:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

This article is horrible. It needs to be deleted.

i agree for sure man

Worst article I've ever seen
First off, this doesn't give any real definition of what 'skate punk' is, and it seems like any band that someone who skateboards happens to like can be added to this article at any time. Some songs by The Bouncing Souls like Manthem and East Coast! Fuck You! might be considered skate punk, but The Offspring and Pennywise, absolutely no chance. Nearly all their songs are about political and social issues and neither have ever given any indication of giving half a fuck about skateboarders. Hell, Avril friggin Lavigne is closer to skate punk than those two bands, and half of Sum 41's videos show spoiled suburban mall rats like the kid who posted the 'this article is stiupted' comment below me skateboarding. Alkaline Trio also aren't anything close to skate punk.

As long as skate punk remains completely undefined, this article shouldn't exist. Thank you. yes i agree!!!! (besides me and my skater freinds like to be referd to as thugs) Wannabe rockstar (talk) 20:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

First off, no. Wikipedia is not for arguing personal tastes, and whether or not you feel Sum 41 is not punk doesn't matter. I'm going to write more in this article, please keep your opinions out. This is a page for the SKATE PUNK MUSIC GENRE, which is a crossover of Hardcore punk, street punk, and pop punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deedeek (talk • contribs) 16:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

this sucks man delet it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.135.129.129 (talk) 04:11, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== THIS ARTICLE IS STUIPTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! == Skaters don't listen to punk rock we listen to normal music like everyone else. We listen to soulija boy and All time low like NORMAL PEOPLE.We don't have mohawks and don't cause trouble.We go to PAC SUN and holister like normal kids.SKATERS don't listen to punk rock!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.231.211 (talk) 04:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Why does everyone think skaters are punks????!!!?!?! it makes me mad

''Nobody mentions ALL skaters are punks, just a large majority of them. Skaters have always had a major association with punk (especially Hardcore Punk). The reason is that Skating is originally from California (Surfers) and the Hardcore Punk movement also originates from California and the two images sat alongside each other and married into one another. Watch any Skate competition or buy Skating magazines or go on speciallist Skate shops and punk will be a part of it. Venice, California is the Skate Capital of the world and also the Capital for hardcore punk groups like Suicidal Tendencies.'' ''The original Hardcore group Black Flag was from Hermosa Beach, LA, California.

''In addition to the west coast scene it is mirrored on the East Coast in New York which also has a big Skate scene accompanied by a big Hardcore scene. The difference is the lack of beach in place for an urban high rise enviroment. Again the two have married to one another. Metalosaurus (talk) 17:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

No mention of the ORIGINAL skatepunks, Gang Green? LOL 70.72.163.71 02:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a ridiculous, horrible way to define "skate punk" given the existence of shifting demographics. I'd rather have a musicologist try to write about it, and no, the people at allmusic.com are not musicologists. Koyaanis Qatsi 19:46 18 May 2003 (UTC)


 * I agree, the page was created by one of Michaels incarnations and originally listed bands including Sex Pistols, Chumbawamba and 1970s rock band Trapeze (band) as 'skate punk', the latter presumably because one member of that band happened to be a namesake of a member of Crass!!! (who were by no stretch of the imagination 'skatepunk' either!!!)

This article is basically drivel - anon

This isn't even a genre! Delete --Smooth Henry 20:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Well some people my not believe that Sk8-punk isnt a genre but (despite that I vairly discribe my self like that) I would say that I belong to this group. As in music there are many styles of people in the world. Soccor mums, goths etc, while these may be sterotypes the discriptions that are given in these article can give a insite to the people who belong to the groups. Skatepunk IS a genre. Punks/Hardcore Punk are much differnt to skatepunks. The closest i come to agreeing is that we almost need a new name as we have drifted far from the punk style. We arent the cold, "mean" and dead eyed (no insultes ment sterotypling) punks that are often discribed, we have fun laugh play joke make fun of people and cause as much chaos as possible without hurting people... other then our friends. Skatepunk often will do something extreamy dangerous just for fun. i.e dodging trafic etc. We are similar to the people off jackarse. We dont wear dull dark colors, bright fluro and anything that stands out is our way. Think of us as punks on X. haha. Catch

You fogrot to sing, but I do agree with you fully! --KoRnholio8 21:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Please please PLEASE get rid of the unsightly and horribly off topic story about Limp Bizkit at the 97 Warped Tour. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with skate punk, and all it serves to do is demean the entire concept of skate punk AND can become confusing to someone quickly skimming the page, making one possibly think that Limp Bizkit is a representative of skate punk. I'd like to post this here before making any changes, in case anyone feels otherwise.

Also, the "More recent bands trying to capture the skate punk sound are..." section is a load of crap; most of the bands listed aren't at all good representatives of modern skate punk, and they are merely using this page as a shoutout for their band. I should know - Surfing Socrates actually opened for my band once. They are a local band out of Melbourne, FL and have not had any notable achievements whatsoever; in fact, if I can be blunt, I think that they are horribly untalented and lack any kind of merit. Lord Ramco 07:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

article sucks
the article sucks, but skate punk IS a genre. it refers to (drumroll please) punk music made by and for skaters. 4 note basslines, almost surf-ish drums, and fast, ramones-style guitar. mostly played on the upbeat instead of the downbeat, skatecore is known for emulating the 'feel' of skating. skate punk utilizes quick uptempo 'jumps' of silence at the end of the measure to emphasize the start of the riff. 70.56.91.147 21:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree that this article is terrible. This article should be reduced to an expanded version of the above paragraph by 70.56.91.147. I'm going to cut out some of the totally unrelated / unnecessary information now. Lobsterkins 21:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought when I read Mr. 70.56.91.147’s comment. I’m going to insinuate his words into the opening paragraph now, and maybe roll up my sleeves and dive into this some other time (right after I sort out people who think “underground rap” means “Tribe Called Quest and Jurassic 5 and other ‘conscious’ acts I discovered during freshman year”). —Curmudgeon 17:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

well just cause we mite lesein to puck does'nt mean all skaters lisenin to punk, like i kind of like punk rock,  but i enjoy hevy metal and hardcore rap much more...just saying. (oh and this artical really sucks they should rewrite it all together! ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.135.129.129 (talk) 04:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

FAT "Wreck Chords" etc.
Wow, this article IS pretty spotty at best.. I don't understand the grunge connection fully, if you're going to mention that,why not hiphop or some other genre that skaters got into? And where is the mention of the entire ubiquitous FAT roster of bands as generally BEING skatepunk during the 90s in every small town and city? Dan Carkner 15:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I was a skaterpunk in the 'day' and the grunge connection is VERY real.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!! Leave hip hop OUT of this discussion! It is about skate ROCK/PUNK. The 'rapper dork' skaters were, and ARE 'fashion poseurs', and were correctly identified as POSEURS from the first day I saw one of the losers.

The only credible 'rapper' in the genre was Skatemaster Tate, and he was NOT a lame 'gangsta' rapper, and used punkish music. Teamgoon 12:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, wtf is up with the Nirvana reference seriously do we need to see them in every article??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.215.136.113 (talk) 05:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

One sided
This article is not good, it needs a neutrality tag. Gopherbassist 16:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

i agree its one sided for sure. i would fix it if i could but i cant cause of school stuff :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.135.129.129 (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

+
This is disgusting. It's nothing more than blatant advertisement of the bands named, and the "facts" contained within the article is not cited. --Scotteh 17:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel it needs a NEUTRALITY tag, it's just poorly written and needs CLEANUP. A CLEANUP tag is more appropriate. Teamgoon 12:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree, as the article is neutral regarding the subject, though it does push towards certain bands. It definitely needs a CLEANUP tag. It's cluttered and really needs some editing, if I get the chance I'll try to find a few decent sources to cite and try to clean this thing up. Damnal 03:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Why am I writing this, I’m basically reiterating what everyone’s said above me
Wow, this article needs way more work than I could have ever known from running across it on Google. Sublime are not “ska-punk legends”—they’re fun, they’re white; they’re more like a frat-boy drinking soundtrack. Geez, how old is the kid who wrote this, fifteen? That’s not a slag on younger folks, but it does lack a certain perspective. —Grunge fashion, 50% off at Macy * s! 17:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey I'm with you. The article leans way too hard tword pop punk or "Sesame Street Punk" to borrow a term from from old MRR. The Suicidal Tendencies first album was one of the first I remember everyone skating to until the wee hours of the morning. You can do the ol' Agent Orange/Descendents/Bad Religion arguement until you're blue in the face but I was there and I remember it being more hardcore than that. D.R.I.'s "Violent Pacification" 7-inch was more of the early skate punk sound. I remember being flat out shocked the first time I heard The Faction and they DIDN'T shred. I expected Cab to handle that bass with the same skill as his board - you know, like NOMEANSNO or something. Having said that though, going further back in time to the late 70's, believe it or not, DEVO was one of the first. Dave Andrecht, inventor of the handplant, is in one of their videos, I think "Freedom of Choice" with a keyhole jump (UPDATE: I am not sure about who's in the video, I'm getting research on lots of skaters now including S'Alba & El Gato). You can look thru old issues of Skateboarder Magazine and see guys with DEVO shirts on. Jefferson Starship supported skateboarding even before that, back when the movie "Skateboard" came out, but they had a song called "Skateboard" as well that was horrible and pretty much ended what they established. Still, though, they were rumored to be friends with Alva, and "Jane" and "Stranger" had the half-pipe "pump" rhythm back when half-pipes didn't have flat bottoms, and "Jane" even came in an extended insturmental version which seemed taylor made for contests ("Find Your Way Back" also had the California 'beach rock' vibe). The point is, can we PLEASE stop defining every damn thing with pop punk? Jeez, enough already...people 3000 years from now are going to think we ate Fruity Pebbles three times a day. User talk:Hanz ofbyotch —Preceding comment was added at 23:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Also
Skate punk or skatepunk?

I've seen either used most of my life, and either is correct. Remember, we're talking about PUNK, there are no rules... Teamgoon 12:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Skate Punk
Isn't Skate-Punk just Post Surf-Punk?? OMGZ 08/12/06/ 10:25

What's surf punk? -  Swi tch t 10:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Offspring at Warped
They played in '97? Something's wrong here. I've heard interviews where Noodles said that their stint on the '05 tour was the first time on it. Blackbird 1565 06:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Blackbird_1565

Hmm
I don't know if this applys or not, but my experience with the skatepunk genre suggests that there needs to be some mention of the simplified thrash chords that skate punk bands tend to use. Take bands like Pennywise for example who will often use a simple high on the bridge palm mute power chord and repeat the beat as fast as they can creating a kh-kh-kh-kh-kh-kh-Grsh sound. This seems to spawn pretty directly from early skatepunk bands like Suicidal Tendencies who were also part of the crossover thrash scene. In my experience the "thrasher riff" is pretty instrumental in creating that illusion of the feel of skateboarding.

History
When did skate punk start? What was the first skate punk band? // Liftarn (talk) JFA,The Faction,Agent Orange, McRad, and RKL were the first skate punk bands. Nofx didnt come till the 90's. Hardcore bands like Blackflag and Minor Threat were popular among skateboards because of their sound and that the members skated. But they were more hardcore. But JFA and Agent Orange really started skate punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.97.167 (talk) 02:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, WOW the article HAS been cleaned up so much for the better! Go WIKI! (I'm making a donation right now) Ok, YES you're someone who is in the know & really boiling it down here to the crucial definitive moment. I also agree on your band list, and also what you're saying about the distinction(are you a band that skates, or are you a Skate Rock band?). But, there is no doubt that the more hardcore bands that skated are MAJORLY involved here and really helped to propel the Skate Rock momentum at that exact same moment in rock history. One of the things that's kind of disturbing still about the article is no mention of THRASHER Magazine and it's Skate Rock articles or it's Skate Rock compilation albums, which are just as important as your band list. I know you're concerned about the diversity gettting WAY out of control here but IMO early hardcore is the yang part of this crucial era and frequently gets short-dicked. Frankly it gets me pretty worked up. Like the first Powell videos...I understand that's the McRad guy but come on, no one listened to music like that except kids that didn't skate until they first saw it.Hanz ofbyotch (talk) 01:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

the Dwarves
How come i do not see them beeing mentioned? Ain't they doing some skate-punk stuff aswell?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.228.21.255 (talk) 13:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Blink 182
in my opinion, blink is the revolution of the punk rock and skate punk in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lara Conde (talk • contribs) 23:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Blink 182 was skate punk for like, Buddha, Cheshire Cat, and Dude Ranch. After that they were just a pop rock band, not even pop punk, like everyone seems to think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.234.231 (talk) 01:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The genre is "Skatecore" but also known as "Skate punk"
All -core genres are basically genres of Hardcore punk and aren't so much musically different but are presenting different images. Anarch-core (Anarcho Punk) was a variation of Hardcore Punk which lead to Crust-core (Crust Punk) which then lead to Grindcore. Also from Hardcore was Skatecore (Skate Punk) which like Anarchcore / Anarcho Punk was just another variation of Hardcore with another theme. Metalosaurus (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not only do I disagree, but I also disagree with the whole name of the article. It's Skate Rock, and it originally came from Thrasher Magazine's Skate Rock articles and album compilations, first one was pressed in 1983.Hanz ofbyotch (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Intense Degree
What about the group Intense Degree who did the classic skating song "Skate Bored". Metalosaurus (talk) 16:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Stopped Signing bands?
Do we have any sources that say both of those records stoped signing skate punk bands? I mean, just the fact that pour habit are signed seems to falsify that statement. Unless anyone has any objections I'm going to remove that statement. Deedeek (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I've made changes to this article
I've attempted to define the sound and characteristics of Skate Punk better, added a reference link, and cleaned up some of the grammar and composition issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.130.36 (talk) 03:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Nirvana
If Nirvana is going to be left in the article, there should be a reference listing them as skate punk. They are commonly understood to be alternative rock and/or grunge.71.197.65.138 (talk) 07:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, though I feel I ought to point out that 'grunge' represented a time and a place (80s-90s Seattle) rather than an actual style. Nirvana were undoubtedly a punk act at heart, though there's no way they should have been included here. 90.200.243.227 (talk) 17:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I think this article should be deleted
"Skate punk" is an inappropriate nomenclature. If anything, this article should be combined with "crossover thrash" or "hardcore punk". Those two genres are where this article fits. If it's more punk than metal, put it under "hardcore". If the band is more metal and has thrashy riffs, put it under "crossover thrash". Simple as that. You can actually delete the "thrashcore" article too. In summation of the punk/hardcore/thrash genres, there's only a slight difference between "crossover thrash" or "thrashcore" and the term "thrash" is how it's most widely referred. (talk) 07:36, 12 October2011 (UTC)

Skater (subculture) redirect goes here
The redirect from Skater (subculture) lands at this unrelated page. Why? "Skate punk" is not synonymous with skater subculture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.60.103.171 (talk) 12:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If there is a better redirect edit this page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Skater_%28subculture%29&redirect=no

Musical Style reference
The musical style section could do with some more references. The Allmusic page covers some aspects of this. However, it mention 'high energy' rather than 'intensity'. These terms have different meanings when describing music, what do people think? Jonpatterns (talk) 10:41, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

allmusic isn't a good reference when they sometimes don't know what they are talking about. When they do, its good, "Thrashocore" did not "exist" in the origins. this isn't with consensus either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.152.45 (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

No big deal, essentially you have re-added a description so now the article has basically two of the same description, worded a little different from each other. what do you feel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.152.45 (talk) 16:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed, Allmusic isn't an ideal source, so if you have any others please include them. I originally put all the things I hadn't got references for in the second paragraph - which is how I have left it now. I found a MRR ref from the thrashcore article that talks about bands being both skate core (AKA skate punk) and thrash core.Jonpatterns (talk) 19:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

What is "skate punk" anyway?
We know punk was revived during the 80s and 90s in places like Southern California and that's a given, but I've never once heard of the term "skate punk" as a catch all for this movement including BMX riders and surfers as early as the mid-late 1970s and fail to see why this association is made on wikipedia. Excuse the earlier polemical, but I'm not a regular contributor to wikipedia. The reference in particular to it being covered on skate videos is a bit of a misnomer to say the least it's also been covered on videos related to no less than rollerblading, body boarding, surfing and the pass times associated with it have been around for so long as BMX riders such as Bob Haro later of Haro Bikes were riding BMX bikes in swimming pools in Southern California in the 1970s and also in the associated surfing movements. I fail to see the conection here that this is a unique movement.

Bias should cover this one, further discussion can also be raised here. I fail to see how this is relevantly different to other articles including 1980s Punk Rock in California, Hardcore punk and other similar articles of this nature. I suggest this article needs some serious revision or a merger with other articles of a similar nature, undue weight is given to the importance and relevance of skateboarding to the punk music scene, no other derivative article exists, surf punk is now also merged into the main article for hardcore punk. --123.211.208.122 (talk) 05:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't forget hockey punk. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * we can add lots of things to the list including golf punk ad nauseam, I think it solidifies that this isn't some sort of unique movement. I hate to reference myself, but I grew up in it. As much as we liked to tell everyone to take a hike no matter whether we were boarders, riders or other, it's the same movement, which I think we can agree is my point. As to the various things going on here and some of the contents of this article, really I can remember watching more 411VM skate videos that represented skating as a black subculture where everyone listened to hip hop rather than punk. I more so associate punk with Props BMX and surfing video. Yeah the term skater punk came along, and yeah there are punk rock bands around that associate themselves with skating, then there are just as many old school BMX riders such as Bob Haro and Bob "robbie" Morales that were equally as active in the scene in southern California at the time as anyone else was in the mid-late 1970s, 80s and early 90s where hardcore punk found its way. I guess what I am saying is that this is far from a unique movement to skateboarding and that this article is truly not representative of what was going on at the time. --123.211.208.122 (talk) 12:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Aye. Pretty much what I meant, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

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edit warrior and bad edits
EuropeanSwedenAmerican2222 rewrote the entire page. the references are a mess, its off topic stuff that belongs in a bands article, some good/ok/decent staff and the rest just biased filler that dilutes the whole article which is about, skate punk. This editor does not care whats right but their way and not collaborating. Clearly doesn't care doesn't even see why the edits were made.2601:84:302:A460:341F:F8:7E41:C489 (talk) 17:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Im going to start populating this section with all the Mistakes that keep being re-added such as information on albums that aren't skate punk. Then this gets reported as what it is. Extra maShaunix or extra Binkster pages. Being disruptive as usual. 2601:84:302:A460:8CC1:4DA8:EC1D:F2C0 (talk) 22:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Albums like Take Off Your Pants and Jacket by Blink-182 tend to mix pop punk with skate punk. Therefore, it kind of is skate punk. "Man Overboard" by Blink-182 is skate punk mixed with pop punk. You removed sourced content and you removed the part about 2010s skate punk from the lead part of the article which is supposed to give a summary or something. Skate punk was a hardcore punk genre in the 1980s but then in the 1990s it changed into a more melodic, less hardcore punkish genre of punk rock. All you are doing is removing sound samples (which are important), removing information, etc. EuropeanSwedenAmerican2222 (talk) 02:26, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2016
This request is from Brian Brannon, the singer for JFA, who was intimately involved in the creation of skate punk.

This article contradicts itself. In the first sentence of the second paragraph, it says: "Skate punk was pioneered in the 1980s by bands such as Suicidal Tendencies and JFA."

Then in the second sentence under History>Early development (1980s), it states: "The Big Boys,[5] JFA[5] and Suicidal Tendencies[1] all are considered pioneers of skate punk."

Note that these two sentences discuss who are considered the pioneers, but in the first instance, The Big Boys are left out and Suicidal Tendencies is listed first.

Suicidal Tendencies were not skate punk pioneers, and it's debatable if they were a true skate punk band. The pioneers of skate punk were The Big Boys and JFA. Thus, Suicidal Tendencies should be removed from this sentence and placed in the next sentence that mentions bands that were among the first wave of skate punk bands:

"Bands such as Agression,[12] Drunk Injuns, RKL, Gang Green, NOFX, McRad, The Black Athletes, Tales of Terror, Stalag 13, Hogan's Heroes,[13][14][15] and The Faction were also among the first wave of skate punk bands.[1]"

Thrasher magazine, which is considered the Bible of Skateboarding and is where the term Skate Rock originated included both The Big Boys and JFA in the article August 1983 article "Skate Rock Part 1" (pp.32-36), which was the first time the term Skate Rock (which later became Skate Punk) was used. http://www.thrashermagazine.com/images/image/Features/2009/1983_mag/8303/8303%20800t/8303p32-33crop800.jpg http://www.thrashermagazine.com/images/image/Features/2009/1983_mag/8303/8303%20800t/8303p34-35crop800.jpg http://www.thrashermagazine.com/images/image/Features/2009/1983_mag/8303/8303%20800t/8303p36-37crop800.jpg

Suicidal Tendencies was not mentioned in this article and indeed did not appear in the magazine until May 1987. http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1987/

Thus, although some people may consider them to be among the first wave of skate punk bands, there is no evidence, nor much agreement, that they were skate punk pioneers.

Any questions, please contact Brian Brannon, singer of JFA, at brianjfa@earthlink.net.

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wtf....???
im a skater and i dont listen to any of this crap 24.51.217.35 (talk) 11:56, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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