Talk:Skateboarding/Archive 2

When Skateboarding started
Skateboarders are amazing! There are so many skateboarders today it is crazy recent study shows that there are over 12 million people worldwide that skateboard and a third of those people are under the age of 18. That is one good sport and a lot of people must love something about the sport of skateboarding.it stays a real poular sport today

Skateboarding is just a sport to some but to the people that actually love the sport it is a lifestyle. It was first made and rode in the 1950s and was just a piece of wood with wheels. Now the modern skateboard that we are using is made from all kinds of different things like fibreglass and the wheels are not just wheels anymore they are made from polyurethane and other materials. So if you though that skateboards were still being made like they were back then you need to go look at what is being made now,for exaple longboards are made just for travaling and down road races ther extremely fast if you go down a hill.

Back when they were using those kinds of skateboards all the surfers in California would take the wheels off the roller skates and put them on a skateboard deck and make themselves skateboards to ride down the hills in California. That is far from how they are made today even though they first made skateboards that early and with some roller skate wheels.

Back then when they were making those types of skateboards they looked like surfboards because they were long and would turn so quick. Today skateboards are made from more durable materials and can be used for awhile. They sold so many skateboards in that time when they first came out that they had to make or come up with something new because everyone already had the first they wanted to see what the new decks would look like. The new types of wheels would come out before any new type of skateboard would.

Every day people will use a skateboard as a mode of transportation and people love to skateboard. It is something that has consumed the world and the world's people seem to like what skateboarding has to offer so it does appear that it is staying and getting better.

Most of people see skateboarding as just another sport and you cannot do the sport in most public places other then skate parks these days. It is illegal in most places to skate where they have public property. The real skateboarders see skateboarding as a lifestyle and like to live like it is every day. They will wear all skateboarding brand clothes and will wear skate shoes. You can spot a skateboarder from just the type of clothing that they will be wearing.

Even in a small country like Egypt, there are also many skaters of both street and vert. For example, Ahmed Maged is one of the many skaters in Egypt that really stand out; he has great skills and might one day turn pro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.234.87.96 (talk) 19:55, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Skateboarding if you look back when it started evolved from surfing so if you are trying to blame the cause of a great discovery on the hippies you are wrong. Skateboarding evolved from surfing and it started and now today the skateboarding industry is booming. People that are in with the sport already will continue to do the sport forever because it will become part of their every day activities and to most people will be their lifestyle. So if you are a person that wants to get started in skateboarding then you need to go buy a skateboard and try it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.248.65 (talk) 12:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, the word "rubbish" is only used in England, and bordering areas, so we should change where the picture caption "The skateboarder ollies over a rubblish bin" to the skateboarder ollies over the garbage/trash can.DaBessst4u (CHATTAH!) 15:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with calling skaters punks
I under stand many skater ideas such as going against authority are punk ideas, but most skaters out there are normal people that wear skater clothes and skate. The punk thing should be mentioned but as a note at most.


 * Agree. Not all skaters are punks, and not all punks are skaters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skateboarding Angel (talk • contribs) 12:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

OK listen here people. Skaters aren't punks and punks aren't skaters, get that threw your skulls preps, baths and everyone else. Skateboards skate. Preps do whatever Preps do. Comprehend?

skaters wear skinny jeans. i dont care what people say, those are womens pants, and look gay on guys. second, get a shirt that fits your scronny body, huge shirts also look gay. also lay of cussing, you punks ruin the sound of it.. yes the older skaters (25 and up) are respectable... the teenage ones are jerks, and most of them smoke weed... those are the punks

The danger of discussing culture
Discussing the culture of skateboarding or any subculture here could be very damaging to the culture. When you write something here, it can become a self fulfiling prohpecy. If someone takes there knowledge of skate culture from here, they will act on the information true or not. So, the end result is that, you can be changing a subculture by describing it wrongly. Do you honestly think that it's anyone right to modify something that big?

So, I suggest that to avoid changing something bigger than all of us-a culture- we remove the culture section from the article.

--Skrayl 01:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The real danger for any culture is submission to silence. In fact, discussing culture is what makes it culture. Skaters often represent themselves with photographs, videos, and reflect upon their culture in magazine articles e.t.c.. And now you think talk here at Wikipedia would change or even damage it??? Get real. Kopare 01:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

i agree with the first one skateboarding is set to all different cultures so to tie it down to hip hop and punk would be wrong. and i also find it wrong how there hasnt been a big deal about this cause its pages likie this which describes skating as kind of a wrong thing to do refering to skaters as "skater punks" you have the culture wrong now delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skaterhall (talk • contribs) 11:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

found a citation
Anybody who watches team ice cream will immediately realize that hiphop culture is partly infused in skating.

'nuff said.

Powerdildo 02:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This is just a recent example... hiphop has been present in skateboarding from early on...--KoRnholio8 06:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

New image
Thought you could find a use for this Ajuk 21:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Now this guy on the right, is doing an ollie, but he really messed up so it looks like a really cool trick, but really, it is NOT. It is just a really messed up ollie.

Catergries
In the table at the bottom media does not even link any where? User:nollieheelflip

Kickflip Picture
That picture of a skater doing a kickflip is a terrible example. If it didnt have that caption i would have thought that he messed up on an ollie. I believe a better picture should be put in place where the boards actually flipping. Day22 17:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Two pictures out of the four in the article and one has that strage edge effect. These should be replaced with some proper pictures.--KoRnholio8 06:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Done.

Kaaos 15:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Culture
I dont see how the skateboarding culture's rebelliousness is fading away. Just because the hip-hop culture is being fused with the skate culture doesn't mean that its any less rebellious. I think people are confusing punk as a music style with being rebellious. The skate culture might be becoming less centered on punk music, but its not like people who listen to hip-hop always obey the rules. Its pretty much exactly the opposite in many cases. Bold text yeah. but as well as we know our kids/friends the skateparks get them outside and building all: confidence, getitng out to having fun.

ya but dude u wanna no wat really pisses me off is when these crappy ass security guards are like theres no skating here to u and only u wen thers uthr kids akting like 20 yards a way and there not wih u at all and the completely ignoreyou u have a pont,but rebelliousness gives us the edje to keep on skating,not just to break rules. it helps in some odd way

people class skateboarding as a bad thing when really skating brings people together. i neither listen to punk or hiphop and i have been skating 6 years and currently work in a skatepark and not one of the members of staff their or into either of the genres which have been suggested. skateboards are sterotyped by people because they have a board. skaters are people just ,like everyone else they are not so much rebellious more of argumentative but most of the time they argue with people who are unreasonable with them. If a skater was asked nicely to be removed from a spot im sure most skaters would leave but when people trash talk towards them they will argue and back each other up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skaterhall (talk • contribs) 10:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Why do people always think skateboarding has something to do with punk rock?Only skateboarding posers and fags listen to punk rock to try and be cool. Real skaters listen to rock,emo,and rap like preps not that punk shit. Thats for posers.

excessive slang
Can someone please translate the insider terms. Wikipedia entries should be understood by all, not just those who know the specialized lingo.
 * Looks like it's been done. Skateboarding Angel (talk) 12:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed skateboarding wikiproject
See WikiProject_Council/Proposals. Please list your name if you're interested. --Hdt83 Chat 06:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Trick Skating
I'm concerned that there's too much jargon in the trick skating section. Someone wanting to learn about skating would be lost reading this section as many terms are not explained (e.g. nollie backside heelflip).

Unless anyone objects, I'm going to re-write some of it, removing the jargon and just concentrating on the main themes. Steve-g 14:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Why?
Why is it that skaters seem to always go against the law and skate where they're not supposed to? Ex. In the middle of the street, on sidewalks, on steps, etc. 68.54.174.43 01:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Because those laws suck. Skaters want to skate those places, but the laws are on the side of business, and business envisions the city as a place of commerce where people just mill around buying things. Stairs & sidewalks etc are fun to skate, so people disregard the law and skate them. It gets ugly when skaters disregard not only the laws but also road traffic and their fellow pedestrians... putting others in danger is hard to defend, and it gives all skaters a bad image.--210.1.209.165 (talk) 06:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

No, because it's an adrenaline rush! Ever tried to run from the cops before? ColdRedRain (talk) 17:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Governing and Olympics
I spent ages trying to find out some infomation on governing because its relevant to the sport and is quite useful infomation. I couldnt find any USA governing boddies though. Also added in infomation on it become an Olympic Sport, which many people do not want to happen which seems silly but yeaaaah. (LemonLemonLemons (talk) 10:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC))


 * I removed your section on the UKGSA as it only represents downhill and slalom skating. You need to try and find bodies that represent all skaters not just racers. I agree that a governing body section would be useful if we can find the relevant information and if such a body even exists. Steve-g (talk) 13:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh right i was going to add to it but so far UKGSA is the only governing body i could find, i shall try and find others because i think it would be pretty useful, i probably should of talked about it on here before just doing it, sorry! (86.159.136.163 (talk) 15:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC))


 * No problems! In future, it's best to get all the information together before you make an edit otherwise we end up with half-finished articles. Feel free to put any information you find on this talk page before you're ready to make the edit. Steve-g (talk) 20:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

if the cities listened to skaters when they ask "what would you like in your local skatepark?" skaters would then have everything they wanted and wouldnt have to leave the skatepark. But because skaters have been given a bad image nobody wants to listen propley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skaterhall (talk • contribs) 10:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

an important point to mention on this subject is how many different groups falsely claim to be the governing body of one part or all of skateboarding. this will become more crucial as the olympics has been showing interest in including it. whatever group claims to be in charge will get serious financial backing. I believe recently the american rollerskate association (i'm not sure of the correct name) tried to claim this, when on later investigation it turned out they didn't have a single actual skateboarder on their staff! there has also been talk of cycling groups taking control, with the justification that it is another wheeled sport. most forms of large scale organisation are usually viewed with suspicion among the skateboarding community, and are unlikely to ever gain acceptance. I believe tony hawk himself was once quoted as saying "the olympics need us far more than we need them" or somethng along those lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.171.110 (talk) 00:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Additions to section "Current Generation"
I think the new additions to the section, which seems mostly a personal point of view written completely in weasel words and without citations, should be removed? Not eager to make the change myself without discussion, partially because I'm an extremely new Wikipedian and haven't took the time to read most of the policy pointers and such. Still, think this should be brought to attention. Kinzarr (talk) 15:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

not sure where this should go or whatevs but in the novice and amateur section it says teams consist of groups of talented skateboarders. That's wrong - teams ARE groups of talented skaters... Also there is no such thing as a novice or amateur team - there are teams, which tend to consist of a variety of pros and amateurs... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.139.195.81 (talk) 04:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Who writes this stuff?
First of all, to try and cram skateboarding into a wiki article is bogus. It's this that results in woeful inaccuracies such as the statements about movies like "Dishdogz" (god, I even hate writing that z). This does NOTHING to improve the culture and image of skating. It waters it down and creates a false impression for all the pudgy emo tweens and their soccer-moms. Sorry lil' Billy, skating is dirty, dangerous and you will in all likelihood break something before you quit. But there is seldom any ill will or aggresion between fellow skaters. This isn't some West-side Story gang deal we have going here.

However, skateboarding is ILLEGAL. It will always be ILLEGAL, and the half-baked attemps at confining it to purpose built skatepark will never remove it from the streets. What other activity can garner you a ticket INSIDE a designated area for not wearing pads? Hmm... remember personal responsibility, anyone?

Skateboarding is FREEDOM. Whether you wear nothing and listen to hip hop, or spray-on jeans and listen to metal, you are a skater. Nothing more or less. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Big Jer '79 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC) Someone fix that thing that says where the ollie aired in Thrasher. It's pretty confusing. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.119.160 (talk) 19:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

my best friends and me
We are from forest city arkansas.I ripstick but they all skate board they are all pretty damn good. all they eva do is chill eat skate sleep and skate some more. Im kiwi and my friends are butt munch,sweet bootie,fishstick,dj a.,and skittles. sweet bootie is hott he has pink hair and a broke ankle but his dum ass  still skates he even took off his cast 2 soon(that dum ass) but i love him. He is my friend.He is tryin 2 teach me how 2 do an olly.Thats my friends and me!!!!!!!!!! SKATE 4 LIFE LOVE KIWI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.211.218.194 (talk) 13:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your intelligent input, but I'm afraid you and your homeys aren't notable enough to be featured in this article. See WP:NOTE for more information. ZXS9465 (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

this be kool
just like you fooooooooooo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johndoeyoyo1600 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh? Skateboarding Angel (talk) 12:47, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

the first skater music
The Sidewalk Surf by The Mad Lads Stax/Volt 1964. Deleting the reference to that without looking up the reference yourself was about as unencyclopediac in tone as you can get. http://www.rhapsody.com/album/staxvoltthecompletesingles19591968volume4/thesidewalksurf there's the song. listen for yourself and repost the reference in a manner that you feel is appropriate. also a mention of jan and dean's sidewalk surfin' and the challengers sidewalk surfer might be in order. these are cultural touchstones that should be included in a discussion of the origins of skateboarding, a subject whose content is NOTABLY lacking here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.33.35 (talk) 22:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

360 Flip
In my travels, the 360 flip was synonymous with Rodney Mullen; however, this article states Jason Lee invented it. Regardless, it isn't cited. I think the sentence should be removed unless someone can find out who actually invented the trick. Too many kids will pull the "na-uh, Jason Lee of My Name Is Earl fame invented the 360 flip" card with this kind of unverified information.

AND

Stop littering this discussion board with POV statements that do nothing to further the skateboarding article... fools. - tbone (talk) 14:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

i think there should be a article about which board width is best for which style? please make one i want to know about it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.58.11.78 (talk) 13:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Alex Perelson AfD
Hey. The articke about vert boarder Alex Perelson is undergoing a deletion debate. I don't think anyone involved in the debate (myself included) has anything but a superficial knowledge of skate culture. Is this lad a flash in the pan or do you think he's notable? There's been no recent discussion there and I would like to bee sure we've generated a clear consensus. Please pipe in. Thanks. - do not delete his page, i believe he is notable enough and will be more notable in the future. - House of Scandal (talk) 16:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Citation needed
I've noticed alot of 'citation needed' in this article. Can someone clean this shit up? Special:Contribution

Liability
While many skateboarders were in fact trespassing and utilizing private property to hone skills at some risk, none had any intention of suing if injury occurred. Skateboarders take pride in self sufficiency and the risk versus reward challenge of any maneuver attempted/accomplished. Distracted or negligent parents or guardians may have contributed to fear of litigation in circumstances of injury. Injuries on public and/or private property are uncommon and usually at the fault of the skateboarder, though there have been many instances of injury once confronted by security and/or authorities.Smithgrind (talk) 03:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)Smithgrind (talk) 03:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Skateboarding IS a sport!
Despite many professional skaters stating skateboarding isn't a sport--it's an art form, mentality, lifestyle, religion... whatever

AND

Despite the many non-skaters who will not acknowledge skateboarding as a sport because they hate skaters and love classic, big team sports, I must inform you:

SKATEBOARDING IS A SPORT!

What constitutes a sport? Two things: competition and athleticism. Skateboarding exemplifies both. Just because it evolved into a sport in an unconventional, countercultural-esque way, doesn't lose its merit as being "an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs often engaged in competitively" (first sentence of the Sport article).

Interestingly enough, it's like a square being a rectangle but a rectangle not being a square. Skateboarding is a sport, but sport does not necessarily define skateboarding because skateboarding encompasses so much more than just athleticism and competition.

That's why I say we change the sentence, "Skateboarding is relatively modern" back to its original form, "Skateboarding is a relatively modern sport." Because that's what it is. - tbone (talk) 20:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

also skateboard fahren ist nicht leicht sondern sehr schwer und mann kann sich sehr schwer verletzen ohne schutz kleidung —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.233.76.233 (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Bearded ladyboarding
Would it be worth mentioning that "bearded ladyboarding" is an entirely fictional sport invented by a marketing company ? is a neutral reference with some links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.132.39.244 (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Dangers?
Uhhh...considering skateboarders are one of the leading contributors to organ donation, shouldn't the dangers be discussed in this article? http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00273 Wikifan12345 (talk) 05:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)