Talk:Skelmersdale

Cadets
I just wanted to bring up the relevance of mentioning the cadets it the town article, it does not appear to be relevant and I believe it should be removed Wbrodie (talk) 15:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Large Round-about
There was mention in the article that Skelmersdale had the largest round-about in Europe. Whether that is true may depend upon the definition of round-about. One wag said that intersections of Motorways didn't qualify because those were officially called junctions. I was not able to obtain very many figures for the diameters of various round-abouts. Does anyone have the measure of the Skelmersdale roundabout? Bejnar 03:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The roundabout is very big but its something of an urban myth really as there is no way to strictly define what is a roundabout and what is simply a road around a central patch of land. Galloglass 11:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The Skelmersdale 'roundabout' is oval in shape and is 1200 ft, largest diameter, by 700 ft smallest diameter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.192.242.187 (talk • contribs).

i think it is also worth a mention that it is the only town in europe that does not have traffic lights, only roundabouts! as for the biggest roundabout is called half mile roundabout, should be some indication of how big it is lol. jenni

Alphabet Town
It would be interesting to note how the streets are grouped alphabetically, a quirk of the new town, e.g. inskip/inglewhite/ingram. beechtrees/banksbarn/bearncroft. etc though i've no idea to what extent this stands up in view of the whole town. any ideas?

Aye true, I live in Waldron, which is near Wheatacre, Whalleys and Westgate. Madness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.31.250 (talk) 23:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree this is worth a mention, but I don't see how to insert it in a meaningful way. AnthonyUK 17:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Skelmersdale College
Is this not worth a mention in the Education section?AnthonyUK 17:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Liverpool
I had added Liverpool to go along with Preston to show Skelmersdale's approximatey to Liverpool and another user has removed this. Why is it not suitable to include Liverpool as Skelmersdale does have a link to Liverpool including Skelmersdale as a new town with a lot of people populating the area from Liverpool's urban clearance. Skelmersdale is also in the A-Z Merseyside Street Atlas from Geographers' A-Z Map Company. Why should Liverpool not be included? Dmcm2008 (talk) 14:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Preston is included in the opening paragraph as County administration centre but I see no problem with also including Liverpool there too. - Gallo glass  15:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Including Liverpool is fine, but then we must also include Manchester to complete the north west cities geographical frame of reference (such as in the Wigan) article. Thanks Man2 (talk) 15:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC) p.s. sorry for removing the discussion comment. Man2 (talk) 15:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Im not going to bother with what Man2 thinks after his remarks that have offended me, however I will say have a look at a map,Skelmersdale is as close to Liverpool as Formby, Ormskirk and maybe just a bit further than St Helens. Manchester is a lot lot further. Dmcm2008 (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll agree with Dmcm on this one, look here As the crow flies it seems Liverpool city centre is closer than Manchester city centre, which i guess is the best way to measure it. Skelmersdale is closer to Greater Manchester but that is hardly surprising as that area can even include Wigan.


 * I definitely believe there's a case to include both Liverpool (as the nearest large city for a point of reference) and Preston (as it's administrative city). Remember the lead is a summary of the article so repeating the information in the body of the article is not only okay, it's recommended. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 17:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I certainly did not intend to offend anyone with my comments. If I have, I offer my sincere apologies. My comments to Jza84 were posted because we have had incidents in the past of editors working to an 'agenda', which I now see you are clearly not.If the consensus is to include Liverpool in the intro of the article then I of course accept that. Im unsure as to what the above post means with the statement "Skelmersdale is closer to Greater Manchester but that is hardly surprising as that area can even include Wigan". The use of the phrase 'even' has confused me. Again I accept the consensus of the editors and again apologise. Thanks. Man2 (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think "can even include Wigan" refers to the fact that Wigan is separate from Manchester. Unlike many of the towns in Greater Manchester which are part of the Manchester area for some statistical purposes, Wigan is a separate urban area.  The inclusion of Manchester in the Wigan article is relevant as Manchester is the main city in Greater Manchester, the county that Wigan is part of. --Snigbrook ( talk ) 21:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The eastern areas of the Metropolian Borough of Wigan are included in the Manchester Urban Area, but yes you are quite correct Wigan itself is within the Wigan Urban Area. Man2 (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm glad my point about Manchester was understood though i could have phrased it better. I'm looking forward to improvement of the article! Sillyfolkboy (talk) 02:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

History
There's loads of material about early Skem here and here for anybody willing and able to expand the page inline with WP:UKCITIES. :) --Jza84 | Talk  21:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice work as ever with the intro Jza. Some good sources you've found there, if I get time soon I'll write up some of the history. Cheers - Gallo glass  21:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I second that. Good work on the intro Jza. I'm sorry to all for how this panned out today. Thanks Man2 (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, me too! Not everybody's happy with the motivations behind the lead (!), but I appreciate both your feedback. the second and fourth paragraphs of the lead are short I know, but I thought we could split the lead up that way (i.e. 1. What and where, 2. Early history, 3. Industrial Revolution and coal, 4. New town and modern character). I don't know the area too well so left it there. Hope it helps, --Jza84 | Talk  23:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Conclusion: apart from discussion to further enhance Skelmersdale; I thought I added Liverpool in the first paragraph earlier guess that was my imagination Dmcm2008 (talk) 00:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No you added it, but I think they liked the expansion to the article and the finding and sharing of source material. Do you have anything to say about the content of the article and how it could be improved further? West Lancashire is a region I have little knowledge about, but would like to know more. --Jza84 | Talk  02:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Toponymy Edit
This - "Icelandic word "skjaldmær" means "Shieldmaiden". Skelmersdale means Shieldmaiden´s Valley. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shieldmaiden)" - has just been inserted, with only the wikilink as any proof. I think it seems reasonable, but as it's presented as a statement of fact, rather than being couched within the realms of the possible, I've removed it. I'm also a little worried it stands as original research. What does anyone else think? Fol de rol troll (talk) 13:49, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Archery records
I just checked the archery world records per http://www.archery.org/, and no members of the Daniel family are listed at that site whatsoever. —C.Fred (talk) 13:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Distances
In this edit some of the distances have been changed, citing the AA as a source. The distance to Preston seems wrong - the routes suggested by Google Maps are shorter - but I'm not sure that the previous version was correct. I can't find anything reliable for the correct distance (the first search result suggests 9 miles, which is probably wrong). Peter E. James (talk) 18:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I strongly suspect the edit in question was not in good faith. The distances for Manchester and Preston were 'by road' thus giving an inflated distance. The distance to Liverpool was 'as the crow flies'. To my mind it was an attempt by the editor to satisfy their own personal opinion that not only is the town 'culturally' linked to Liverpool, but is almost a suburb. You often see similar attempts with the Wigan articles i.e. altering the lead to replace Wigan, Greater Manchester with 'Wigan, Lancashire'. The area in an around Wigan and Skelmersdale is awash with people with 'loyalties' to cities/towns or regions other that the area they live (normally football loyalties), thus attempts are made to make 'their' area more or less culturally or geographically in line with the teams they support or cities they prefer or alternatively to disassociate the area with cities they dislike. It gets very tiresome ! Thanks Man2 (talk) 21:12, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I have now put all three distances "as the crow flies", as measured by Google maps and rounded to the nearest mile. For what it's worth Google gives for crow-fly and by-fastest-road miles respectively: Wigan 5.7/7.9, Liverpool 12.9/15.7, Preston 14.7/24.8. --  Dr Greg   talk  23:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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What is the local accent?
Anyone say please? I knew somebody from there who had a Scouse accent. But the place is much nearer Wigan (6 miles) than Liverpool (12 miles). I would then fit this info in somehow. Cheers Wythy (talk) 14:47, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't say they're scouse but they have like a very skewed scouse accent, much like that of the Wirral. They're wools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.135.150 (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I think most of our population moved down from Liverpool and we have a false scouse accent especially when those from Wigan sound the same but they're called woollybacks Turok1456 (talk) 13:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Population update
I keep on trying to update the population to its most recent and most valid source' which is the 2021 census. Why is it getting removed even when I cite a government website as my source? Turok1456 (talk) 12:58, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Did you not read the edit summary? The figure you are trying to add is for the whole West Lancashire district (which includes Ormskirk, Burscough and lots of smaller places), not for just Skelmersdale.
 * It ought to be obvious the figure is wrong because it's very unlikely that the population would treble from 38,813 to 117,429 in 15 years.  Dr Greg  talk 13:14, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Etymology
Skjaldmær Means Shield Maiden in Old Norse and is part of Norse mythology. There's no record of the word being a given name. 2A00:23C4:206:E201:CCCF:1BA5:FEC8:F283 (talk) 11:48, 28 March 2023 (UTC)