Talk:Skin Yard

The albums
Silversmith, could you please explain why you redirected all the albums to here? There's no reason to do that. -- Mike Garcia | talk 22:14, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Death to stubs! This article is very short and uninformative at present.  It would have something approaching a reasonable amount of information in it if the info on the albums were merged into it.


 * Put it this way: if this were a reasonable-length article with all the info, would we ever break it up into annoying little stubs? No, never.  I vote we make it all one article.  Someone like Mariah Carey can have an article for every album, or even every song, but this band should settle for just one.  Chameleon 22:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The album articles are no longer redirected here as you undid the redirects, and I won't re-do them without discussion first. But I feel this article is much better as it is, it was just a stub before, and unless you or someone else suddenly comes up with a lot of information on the band, there is nothing wrong with my version.  It also makes it easier for anyone who wants information on the band.    If you look at some featured articles, you will note how large they are, how detailed, and how they haven't been broken up into individual "stubish" articles. example --Silversmith 22:28, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually yes, there is something wrong with your version: Please do not un-redirect all the albums, why? There is nothing wrong with them. Don't have me report you here! -- Mike Garcia | talk 14:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Mike, you need to explain yourself more fully. You haven't replied to anything I said.  Chameleon 14:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Also note Save Ferris an article on a band which has all the album information on the one article, as I'm trying to do here. So I've found a precedent. By the way Mike, I found it looking through your album list.

Logic
The lead of this article explicitly states that the band hasn't mainstream success. So let's step back and ask basic questions. If there aren't clear "Yes"es to these questions, then there is no debate, at least for me: simply from the point of logic and ease of use, all of the albums should be discussed in the context in which they will be sought and in which they illuminate the subject. I.e. they should be all in the band's article (or not exist at all). Is there any utility for a stub here and a stub for each record? Is there anything gained that way? Is there any loss that's prevented that way (assuming the redirects are valid)? If not, it's just a matter of logic, as well as preserving name space, to put them all together. Furthermore, if it comes down to asking for mediation, I'd have to say that right now it looks like those who want all the albums in one place are asking for discussion and reasoning on the talk page, while the person who does not is responding only with threats. This is not good manners and bodes ill. Geogre 20:42, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Will folks who do not own it have heard of a particular song or album and need a discussion of the importance and significance of it?
 * 2) Is any given album or song significant and notable enough to survive a VfD vote?
 * 3) Is any album influential enough that it is cited by other bands (without reference to the group) to a point where the function of that album in history needs to be discussed outside of the context of the band?
 * 4) Is there enough to say about any album that combining the material here gets the article over 32 Kb? Is putting all information here something that makes the article unusable?

unsourced contents
Moved from article space. Graywalls (talk) 10:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

A few months later, Skin Yard contributed two songs to the now-renowned Deep Six compilation. This album, in addition to featuring the first commercial recordings of Malfunkshun, Melvins, Soundgarden and Skin Yard, was the first to showcase the early grunge sound. In 1987, Skin Yard released their self-titled debut album and their first single, "Gelatin Babies". Shortly after these releases, drummer Matt Cameron left the band to join Soundgarden, after which the band went through a series of drummers. He was initially replaced by Steve Wied, followed by Greg Gilmore; however both drummers lasted only two shows. In the fall, Jason Finn joined, but left after eight months for personal reasons. Scott McCullum filled the vacancy in May 1987 and he remained for two years, during which time the band recorded and released their second album, Hallowed Ground (1988). However, McCullum left and the band took a fourteen-month hiatus after a U.S. tour quoted as being "the tour from hell". Skin Yard returned in 1990 with their third album, Fist Sized Chunks, and their final drummer, Barrett Martin. In 1991, as grunge was breaking into the mainstream, the band released their fourth album, 1000 Smiling Knuckles. That same year, original bassist Daniel House left the band to spend more time with his family. He was replaced by Pat Pedersen, who stayed with the band for the recording of their final album, Inside the Eye, which featured the single "Undertow". After recording was completed, Skin Yard decided to disband, and the album was released shortly after. Post-breakup Prior to the breakup, Ben McMillan and Scott McCullum had started the band Gruntruck as a side-project, and continued to perform with the band after Skin Yard's demise. By the time Gruntruck disbanded, they had released two albums and one EP. Ben McMillan died from diabetes in 2008 at the age of 46. Pat Pedersen and Barrett Martin worked with Jack Endino on his solo album Endino's Earthworm. Endino also released two other solo albums, Angle of Attack and Permanent Fatal Error. Endino has largely switched from working as a performer to working as a music producer. He produced several albums by the grunge bands Soundgarden (a band including original Skin Yard drummer Matt Cameron) and Mudhoney; more recently he has produced albums by artists such as Hot Hot Heat and ZEKE. Daniel House, as owner and president of C/Z Records, continued to release records until 2001 when he released the Skin Yard rarities album, Start at the Top. Barrett Martin joined Screaming Trees and drummed on their albums Sweet Oblivion and Dust. Screaming Trees went on hiatus and finally broke up in 2000. Martin has also toured with R.E.M. During the late 1990s, Martin formed the grunge supergroup Mad Season with Alice in Chains singer Layne Staley, Pearl Jam lead guitarist Mike McCready, and bassist John Baker Saunders. Mad Season released one album before breaking up in 1999.

Jason Finn, who was replaced by McCullum in Skin Yard, went on to drum for the band Love Battery until 1995 and the band The Presidents of the United States of America until their breakup in 1998. The Presidents of the United States of America have since reunited.

This part was pulled from lede: Graywalls (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

The group never gained a mainstream audience, but were an influence on several of their grunge contemporaries, including Soundgarden, Screaming Trees, and Green River.

COI tag (January 2023)
Cosiderable direct editing in March 2007 by significantly connected person Special:Contributions/Danielhouse some of their which still remains Graywalls (talk) 16:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think I first noticed a couple weeks ago that Daniel House (musician) appears to have done some editing on subjects he was related to, many years ago. I think it's a wild overstatement to call it "considerable direct editing" to this article, however. That user account only made two edits to this article: one in March 2008 correcting the label that their first album was released on, and the second and last in October 2009 correcting the year the band broke up. (Since October 2009, the user account made a single 2011 edit on an unrelated subject, and nothing since.) This isn't a major contribution warranting a COI tag.
 * As for the Daniel House (musician) article, following that editor's last edit, that article was changed to a redirect here. He doesn't appear to have touched it at all since the article was subsequently recreated. Again, not warranting a COI tag. CAVincent (talk) 05:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)