Talk:Skitgubbe

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Is it inappropriate to put history of the game on this page? A long time ago there was a summary of the history of the game and evolution of its rules within the United States. There seems to be considerable evidence that the game was first popularized in the United States by Etan Savir, as described in the second link. This is evinced by the fact that the versions from Swedish rulebooks are considerably different from the American versions, all of which bear considerable resemblance to the version coming from Mr. Savir, as well as the geographic distribution of players (i.e., spots where the game is said to be played are places where Mr. Savir's college friends moved after learning the game from him). This is in addition to the anecdotal evidence provided in the second link and from personal accounts.

I am happy to collect sources and write a detailed account if more experienced editors think that it would be an appropriate addition to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.22.18 (talk) 01:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it would be appropriate. The deletion of the history was never discussed here. Please go ahead. —hike395 (talk) 07:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Translation of title
I would suggest 'shit-geezer'(or maybe 'crap-man' as a more accurate translation of 'skitgubbe'. 'dirty old man' is often interpreted as pervert(which is inaccurate here). And it isn't a "literal" translation, 'skitig gubbe' is literally 'dirty old man'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.234.170.202 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 7 March 2016‎
 * Thanks. I've replaced it with a more detailed translation from Parlett, who does indeed draw the distinction between unclean and perverted. --McGeddon (talk) 21:27, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Right, but it still means literally "shit geezer" or "crap man", Parlett is half wrong / half right. It doesn't mean "dirty" as in lecherous but it does mean "shitty" rather than "haven't washed in a while". Jikybebna (talk) 08:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Merge with Shithead?
There are some significant similarities (especially the name), so it might make sense to merge the articles. 62.202.189.191 (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep They seem to be distinct games. I would suggest keeping them separate with See also links between the two articles. — hike395 (talk) 00:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. They are distinct games, not just in terms of rules and variations, but in terms of history, distribution and culture. Bermicourt (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Flurst
thanks for your recent edits and for starting this article in the first place. Do you play Flurst yourself? And do you know where in the US it is played and by whom? How did it get there? Is it only played in one format? Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 16:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have played Skitgubbe/Flurst. The history of how the game came to the United States, who plays it, and the common variants are described here, which is an EL in the article. — hike395 (talk) 23:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Note, btw, that the US rules indicate that Phase 2 card(s) should be plucked from the bottom, not from the top. So perhaps Flurst is a variant after all? — hike395 (talk) 00:17, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's interesting. I'd tend to classify Flurst as a variant, not just because of rule differences, but because of other factors such as culture, terminology, history, location, etc. all of which combined make up the character of a card game. It probably merits a separate section. Bermicourt (talk) 08:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)