Talk:Sknyliv air show disaster

Link to video?
Is the external link to the video necessary? I mean, it's not just graphic, it's horrible. You don't expect such a videolink in the Wikipedia, even if it is tagged as graphic. You see blood, body parts all over the place and people cut in half. If someone want to see the video, he will find it. But i think to put a link to a uncut video below the article should not be. And if it did, it should be more clearly tagged as „very high graphic violence” or something like that. Also the video is a citation for this part: „Both pilots survived with minor injuries from the ejection and landed just a few feet away from the transport aircraft.”... I guess. Sorry for my bad english, i'm german ;> --93.219.59.73 (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't see anything in the article that gives warning to the graphic nature of the video in the external link. There should be a warning IMO as it's extreme, over-the-top graphic...graphic as in if the resolution were sharper it would be beyond anything in a gory horror movie. Regards, Mike in USA

People, I removed the Russian spare parts issue. It is not evidently relevant to the case. And it seems like Russian propaganda. If you disagree - please prove that the info mentioned is directly associated with that very plane. Best wishes, AlexPU

The article says 'The aircraft, flown by two experienced pilots, was reported to have lost power before clipping trees, at which point the crew ejected'. Actually the crew ejected later, when the plane hit ground by the left wing.

I've reviewed the video, and, to me, it sounds like the Flanker's engines die right after the 0:50 mark. You can hear what sounds like engine noise a shortly thereafter as the Flanker rapidly picks up speed during the dive, but couldn't that be caused by air rushing into the engines? MalikCarr 08:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The Su-27 crash in Lviv (also known as the Sknilov tragedy) is a major aviation disaster that occurred on Saturday July 27, 2002 during an air show in honor of the 60th anniversary of the 14th Aviation Corps (the former 14th Air Army of the USSR) at the Sknilovsky airfield located on the outskirts of Lviv. While performing aerobatics at extremely low altitude, the Su-27UB fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fell directly into the crowd of spectators. 77 people died (including 28 children)[1][2][3], 543 people were injured with varying degrees of severity[1][3]. The catastrophe in Lviv became the largest air show in world history in terms of the number of dead and wounded [4]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Air_Army 37.54.230.242 (talk) 21:33, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Pictures?
Could someone possibly find some pictures of the accident, i know there are more then enough. bogdan 03:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Please, no, no pictures. This is a horrific thing... Limbs, people cut in half... I, for one, am voicing out against pictures of this.
 * Agreed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.16 (talk) 05:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Casualties
85 confirmed dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.60.210.5 (talk) 17:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

An anonymous editor changed 84 immediate deaths and an 85th death later in hospital to 77 and an 85th. Obviously that doesn't make sense. Early reports seem to have had fatalities in the 80s. Later reports give 77, and don't mention a later death. Girlwithgreeneyes (talk) 14:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * CNN and The Current Digest of the Russian Press both give 77 in later editions, which suggests earlier numbers were falsely high. Since I haven't found any sources which are still quoting the 85 number I've gone ahead and changed the article accordingly (though still mentioning the 85 number as the initial verdict).--Xiaphias (talk) 07:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Hindsight bias in this article?
Recently I came across the phenomenon of hindsight bias and I wondered whether this bias might also be present in this Wikipedia article... According to the hindsight bias, in retrospect it is overestimated how likely, predictable and/or inevitable an event was, and obviously a study has even found it in Wikipedia articles on accidents/catastrophes: doi:10.1007/s00426-017-0865-7 So I wondered whether that could be the case with this article, too, – and whether the disaster is presented as more predictable and inevitable than it actually was before. Maybe we should search again for information that would have spoken against its occurrence? Apparently, the hindsight bias occurs because of a retrospective focus on information that spoke FOR the event while ignoring (or not taking seriously) information that would have argued for another outcome, which then, of course, leads to the impression of inevitability and foreseeability... This is why I wondered whether this article might also be affected by hindsight bias and should thus be checked again for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810D:1300:38E5:4CEA:17D3:BC93:8158 (talk) 18:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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