Talk:Skye and Wester Ross attacks

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I have just made Isle of Skye shootings, I personally think the article is better written, and at the time of making it I didn’t realise this article was here already. I propose this article be speedily deleted, or for my article to be moved to a more suitable title once a common name is made. greyzxq talk 20:56, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The title can be fixed but you're going to have to figure out which one to merge to which. PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd actually recommend merging your content here and then changing the name since you're the only contributor to the newer one. PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * From looking at this article and then at the other, the other does however seem more developed. For example, it has a location map, more categories, and paragraphs. Furthermore, I can't find anything in the provided sources of this article to say that there were 4 injured or a knife involved, so some information here may be incorrect. greyzxq  talk 21:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * yes, but what i'm saying is there are multiple editors in the history here so it would be easier for you to merge your own edits since you're the only contributor and then change the title here. PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:23, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry I didn't understand that the first time. So should I just copy and paste the content from the other article? Because I don't have the permissions to merge pages. greyzxq  talk 21:35, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm now thinking whether this one should just be deleted. greyzxq talk 00:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Isle of Skye shootings into Skye and Wester Ross shootings
The other article is the older one, and the title better describes the dual locatin of the shootings. This one was already redirected and then copied over there, but the creator of this newer one reverted and insists that their article should be the main one. Fram (talk) 14:34, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Just because this article is the older one doesn't at all mean it's the one that should stay.. greyzxq  talk 14:44, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Older one and better title? You haven't given any reason why your page should stay instead. Fram (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have repeatedly given you reasons, but at this point it seems like you're just talking about the title, so rather than a proposed merge a simple move would be more suitable. greyzxq  talk 14:52, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * A move over an existing article for the same topic? That's, er, a merge, as proposed, if you want to do it properly instead of just having your name as page creator. Fram (talk) 15:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that the Isle of Skye shootings article should stay as it is until a clear common name is made, and this article go back to being a redirect. At the current time, the incident is being referred to more as shootings on Skye rather than in Wester Ross too. I don't think any sources describe it as being on Wester Ross, at least not mainstream ones like BBC News. greyzxq  talk 15:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The Herald Scotland title: "Man killed in Skye and Wester Ross shooting incidents is identified by police". The National title: "Highland councillors and residents react to Skye and Wester Ross shooting incidents" (and other article title: "Nicola Sturgeon responds to 'devastating' Skye and Wester Ross shootings"). These are two mainstream ones from Scotland, so I guess that's settled then? Fram (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Not really settled.. neither of those sources are mainstream for the rest of the UK, and the Herald Scotland source seems to have been since deleted. Furthermore, Dornie is less than 10km away from Skye, so it's not farfetched to just include it. greyzxq  talk 15:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh look, goalposts, moving at an incredible speed! Fram (talk) 15:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What? greyzxq  talk 15:33, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support the proposed merge, clearly it makes no sense to have two articles about exactly the same subject. -- DeFacto (talk). 15:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that there shouldn't be two articles about the same subject, but there was just the other one before Fram pasted the other article into this one. greyzxq  talk 15:40, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a bit disingenious, no? Fram (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If you saw my edit summaries, when I first added that into this article i removed it after and said it was a mistake..? here. and please stop using metaphors about goalposts, they're just comfusing and irrelevant greyzxq  talk 15:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support merge of the second article into this one as I previously explained to Greyzxq, who apparently has serious WP:OWN issues. PRAXIDICAE🌈 15:44, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have "own issues", I just think I should get some form of credit for writing an entire article and then it be listed as someone else's contributions after they've just copied and pasted it..? Anyway I honestly cannot be bothered with this argument anymore, do whatever you want. greyzxq  talk 15:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thats what merges are for. Again, you have demonstrated some serious WP:OWNership issues in your comments here. PRAXIDICAE🌈 17:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I still think that this topic should stay in Isle of Skye shootings and this page be made a redirect as there isn't a common name for this incident yet. In my experience, it is customary for there to be a page which is easily findable until there is a common name, which the title will be changed to once it happens. The title Isle of Skye shootings is easily findable compared to Skye and Wester Ross shootings, as many people won't know what Wester Ross is. greyzxq  talk 17:25, 11 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support merge and endorse that "Isle of Skye shootings" is the most recognisable article title - Lochalsh and Wester Ross are not known or linked to this incident in the mind of non-locals. Pincrete (talk) 07:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support merge into the most recognised title, as per all the above. – QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Stabbing claims
Hi, this isn't really about the merger but it was reported that at least one of the victims was stabbed and that "knives were involved" on some articles. Parzival2101 (talk) 17:21, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, some sources have claimed there was a knife involved, but no reliable sources have said this yet so it hasn't been added. greyzxq  talk 17:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Needs fixing asap
All previous arguments aside, and i apolosgise if how i acted offended anybody, this does need to be resolved. This article, Skye and Wester Ross shootings, and the other article, Skye and Lochalsh attacks, are both about the same subject so following Wikipedia's guidelines, one needs to be merged / deleted. I am proposing that Skye and Lochalsh attacks be the main article because at this time it has more content and the title is more accurate. I am open to any other propositions and will not have any bias this time around, which again i apologise for. greyzxq talk 20:48, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Dornie is NOT in "Wester Ross"
If it help to make a decision, Dornie is NOT strictly in Wester Ross. It's a little confusing perhaps to anyone not familiar with the area and/or the historic counties. And not helped by much of the media getting it wrong too (so the originator of this page was perhaps understandably lead astray by that). Dornie is in Lochalsh (the district which surrounds - roughly - Loch Alsh... and this area is also confusing!). And while Lochalsh is in the west - or more accurately the SOUTH-west - of historic Ross or the county of Ross-shire, it is not in the specific area known as "Wester Ross", ie Wester Ross does not simply equate to westerN Ross! Wester Ross is a somewhat ill-defined area - at least the eastern edge - but the historic north and south boundaries are reasonably clear: and the southern boundary is Loch/Glen Carron (excluding Lochalsh).

The Wester Ross page does cover this (although there is some confusion from things like modern designations for nature reserves or biospheres, and also tourist boards - since otherwise Lochalsh gets somewhat forgotten about!). My family live on Skye - in Sleat in fact - and my grandmother is from Gairloch - in Wester Ross. By way of personal knowledge to back up more official sources! I note too the latest BBC reporting seems to just mention Skye in the title and avoids Wester Ross or Lochalsh. Dornie is mentioned in the article body as being in Lochalsh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AeonMach (talk • contribs) 16:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

July 2023 Indictment
Details of the accused, victims, and indictment have been reported: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-66324781 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.18.78 (talk) 15:02, 27 July 2023 (UTC)