Talk:Slayer/Archive 3

International Day of Slayer
Slayer have responded to the |International Day of Slayer  with a video interview posted on the site. The proposed holiday, June 6, is being solicited to politicians now. Since Slayer has acknowledged this with an exclusive video about the holiday, isn't it worth a mention here? death metal maniac (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Satan Laughs As You Eternally Rot
I'm just letting everyone know that i removed the part where it claims that Slayer is an acronym for "Satan Laughs As You Eternally Rot" because it isn't. the band was just called Slayer for the sake of being called Slayer. The same goes for the Dragonslayer myth, they weren't ever called Dragonslayer. Though, it was just a rumour spread throughout the media to scare people about Slayer, just like they did with other metal bands to try and make all of them look scary and evil. Although, later on through Slayers career they took liking to the false acronym, and used it on the song Live undead, and on the divine intervention album. That's about it. Okram 09 (talk) 10:40, 15 October 2008 (UTC)yes thats probobly a good idea but remove every thing about dragonslayer


 * Slayer's name actually refers to serial killers, since they go around slaying people.99.108.198.222 (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

picture
someone change the picture to something else than the fields of rock it looks crappy. get an old picture with one of them in oakley glasses

it should be changed to the back cover of reign in blood thats an awesome pic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.17.51 (talk) 05:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Groove Metal
I believe that this should be included on their genre listing. Later material (Diabolus In Musica and onward especially sound like this, in my opinion). However, I'll wait for verification, cuz I don't wanna be the start of another flippin' genre war. Dark Executioner 21:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner
 * Groove metal would be unreferenced and incorrect. There's already too much overkill and superfluity in that field. Best to just leave it alone. It's been decorated enough 156.34.210.255 02:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * M'kay.

Dark Executioner 19:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner
 * Slayer is definitley not groove metal. Besides Diabulos In Musica sounds more like nu-metal laced thrash.--Metalhead94 (talk) 23:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)pantera is probably more of a groove metal band


 * What about some of the songs on seasons in the abyss? Dead skin mask and Skeletons of society are too slow to be thrash metal. Unless thrash is no longer fast. It sounded alot like Pantera's stuff so I won't edit the page but someone should. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.108.198.222 (talk) 22:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Any sources for your claim? We can't build an encyclopedia out of personal opinions.- Teh   Thrasher  23:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Just listen to those two songs and then read the Wikipedia article on thrash metal. They don't match the structure of thrash at all. This is like trying to prove that Avenged Sevenfold isn't black metal. It's obvious. Here's the article about thrash metal and its characteristics. 99.108.198.222 (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Last.fm isn't reliable. And again, an encyclopedia can't be built out of personal opinions- Teh   Thrasher  09:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * And i assume anything that doesn't conform to what's already been said about Slayer isn't reliable. As I said, i'm not basing it off personal opinions. I'm basing it off what the Wikipedia page and many other websites say about thrash metal. The two songs I mentioned do not conform to the characteristics of Thrash metal.99.108.198.222 (talk) 16:21, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Still, there's lack of reliable sources for your claim. As long as there aren't any reliable references, consesnsus isn't gonna be reached.- Teh   Thrasher  16:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations! Featured article
Slayer 4ever!--sin-man 02:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Kick ass! Congrats on making featured! \m/, CatBoris 14:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image removal
I've removed fair use images from this article for reasons as follows: The Wikimedia Foundation's resolution (see wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy) tells us that fair use imagery use should be "minimal. Their use, with limited exception, should be ... to complement (within narrow limits) articles about copyrighted contemporary works" Further, Non-free content criteria item #3(a) tells us "As little non-free content as possible is used in an article" The fair use images here, while helping to decorate the article and provide visual queues for some of the content of the article, does not meet these bars. The content in some cases (2nd and 3rd cases) is replicated in related articles, and in cases where it is not the images serve only a decorative purpose (1st and 4th cases).
 * Image:Slayer - Show No Mercy.jpg; the album cover was not discussed in any way, and the text from the caption was entirely functional without the album cover. I've retained the text while removing the image.
 * Image:Reign in blood.jpg; while the album cover is discussed as a reason for the album's delay, the same information is available in the album's article itself, making the display here redundant and unnecessary. A person curious about the album art can view the album's article itself.
 * Image:Slayer-GodHatesUsAll.jpg; for the same reasons at Image;Reign in blood.jpg.
 * Image:Slayer - Christ Illusion.jpg; the caption describes the cover art as being controversial, but not why. The cover is not discussed inline in the article at all. The controversial nature of the cover art is discussed at length in the Christ Illusion article.

Subsequent to this, I have also removed the accompanying fair use rationales from the images in question for this article. Other fair use rationales exist for other uses.

For related material, please see Wikipedia talk:Featured article criteria. Thank you, --Durin 20:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I definitely agree with #1, the others, no, #4 definitely no. Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria #5 says " Non-free content meets general Wikipedia content requirements and is encyclopedic." Wikipedia:Non-free content also says "Cover art: Cover art from various items, for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item.


 * "the same information is available in the album's article itself, making the display here redundant and unnecessary" Yea it's available because i added it but how are people meant to know that? This article is a brief overview of the band's career and covers it lightly - the image is used to show how "graphic the cover art" is, are we meant to re-direct the reader every time to another page just to view an image? that is just stupid. I re-inserted the Christ Illusion cover because it is encyclopedic, the content is detailed and it needs a visual to let the reader know how graphic it was to get banned. Thankyou for reverting vandalism though. M3tal H3ad 07:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll agree that what I am doing is just stupid. When you're done criticizing me, I'll be happy to discuss this in a mature manner with you. Until that time, --Durin 12:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Logo
The article used to have the logo on it, and it looks cool. Now why did it come off?--Willy, your mate 03:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It was fair use, feel free to make your own using Photopshop or something and release it under a free-license. M3tal H3ad 02:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you for the response.--Willy, your mate 04:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Backing Vocals

 * I've checked all over the internet, and I can't find anything that states who sings backing vocals in Slayer. Slayer has minimal backing vocals, but they are heard in some songs. So which members sing them? - Alterego269 00:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You haven't found anything on backing vocals because there aren't any. If you're thinking dead skin mask it's just Tom's voice edited. M3tal H3ad 02:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, no backing vocals. That's all I know. All I see is Tom on vocals.--Willy, your mate 04:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They're indeed minimal, but the first two albums do have some backing vocals. The "Show No Mercy" page details who did the gang choruses for "Evil Has No Boundaries." No idea about the backing vocals on "Hell Awaits," but it definitely does not sound like Tom doing the background "Kill!" chant in "At Dawn They Sleep."
 * Yes, on the early releases Slayer had some backing vocals. I saw a video of "Evil has no Boundaries" and it is Hanneman and King who do the "Evil" chant. I think there may be some on Seasons In the Abyss but I'm not sure if it really is, because it might be a Tom voice-over.--Metalhead94 (talk) 23:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Looking for who is doing backing vocals: Note that Hanneman and King are often singing (without microphones) during live performance, as anyone that has been to a Slayer show the last 20 years know. Hence, it seem plausible that Hannemann and King might have done backing vocals on early records. Of course, this need verification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.102.152 (talk) 05:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Demos
Shall we add the Slayer demos? I found them on www.metalarchives.com --Born Again 83 00:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

The End Is in Sight???
Is it really true? Is Slayer going to make 1 more album, and that's it? What's the metal world coming to???? We don't need to lose any more great bands in the 2000s than we already have! Dark Executioner 19:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner
 * They have 1 album left in their contract, doesn't mean they will retire after that. M3tal H3ad 07:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

They've mentioned retiring in Revolver Magazine, though. That's why I'm concerned. They've also been on Fuse TV (I believe the show wwas called The Sauce), and Tom Araya himself said that Slayer would break up after this next album. He mentioned that he "doesn't want to end up like the Rolling Stones" and that "playing this kind of music at 46 is starting to have negative physical effects." I hope he was just spouting steam, but that's what I heard. Dark Executioner 14:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner
 * As usual, Slayer is just messing with people's minds. I'd be willing to bet that they live for aggravating the heck out of people who choose to take the themes of their music too seriously. They'll be around as long as they can sell records. Jsc1973 (talk) 07:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh no i love slayer and i wanna see them at least once it cant be they better be just fucking with us because ill be pissed. Zakkman (talk) 03:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

And remember that it is more than 10 years since Slayer stated that they will quit within 5 years (because they would get too old to be able to play their own music). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.102.152 (talk) 05:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Christian band?
Ok for some reason someone put that Slayer's a Christian band (hah) and for some reason i cant fix it could someone edit that like right away it's just not right —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazycelt72 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, Araya is Catholic but King definitely is not religious, but he says he is neither a Christian or a Satanist. I don't think Hanneman is Christian either, neither Lombardo, or even Bostaph, so I don't think it is. Good Question Anyway-Metalist310 02:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just vandalism. M3tal H3ad 09:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Slayer a christian band???lol they didn't even do a good job of vandalizing the article. Araya is catholic but read the lyrics and you will obviuosly see no pro-christian chants.--Metalhead94 (talk) 23:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Araya was raised catholic, but isn't catholic currently. --65.25.52.23 (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

In the interviews in Metal: A Headbanger's Journey [XXX Why is there not an article about this movie?], Arraya is depicted as a Catholic and King as non-religious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.102.152 (talk) 05:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC) Furthermore, in interviews, Arraya has stated that he is a Catholic (with statements like ``God has never turned me down´´) [XXX Find citation: One source would be Arraya in the Finnish newspaper Helsingin sanomat around fall 2006]).

What I find interesting is..On VH1 they had an interview with Araya and he made a comment that he is Christian, he attends church. Everything that has to do with Slayer is all comercial, cause it sells! How fake can one be? Rockin Jones (talk) 03:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Discography/References
Something went wrong in the Discography section with the References section it seems :P It all kinda side by side and you can't read much. I'd sort it out myself but I know I'd do it wrong.... Figured I'd leave it to someone cleverer ^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.74.47 (talk) 12:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed, just some idiot vandalizing. M3tal H3ad 09:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

No move Duja ► 07:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted the move from Slayer to Slayer (band). This seemed particularly pointless. If anyone wants to discuss it, here is the place.  E LIMINATOR JR  18:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You could at least copy the discussion from the WP:RM which was removed.


 * Here is the discussion:


 * {|border=5


 * Slayer → Slayer (band) — The term "slayer" means many other things, none of which are derived from the band's name, so it is unneutral to have article about the band named "Slayer" in the Slayer article instead of Slayer (band) article, because it gives impression that this band is something more important than anything else named "slayer". Slayer article should then redirect to the disambiguation page. —Qsaw (talk) 08:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of the examples on the disambiguation page appear to be significantly less notable than the band. The Buffy one might be close, but I'm not really familiar with that show. In any case, I think this move should be discussed first. --Bongwarrior 09:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Only problem for doing such move would be large number fo articles linking to the Slayer article while refering to band. I've encountered similar problem when I moved W.A.S.P. to W.A.S.P. (band) - it took me lot of effort to fix all of the links. However, maybe an bot could be used to automatize the process. --Qsaw (talk) 12:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'd have to question you moving W.A.S.P. to W.A.S.P. (band). It's not like there are many uses of this term, or much likelihood of it being confused with wasp. PC78 07:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Pages moved. Concerns above resolved by moving the disambig page to Slayer. - jc37 20:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Bold move. Now are you going to fix all the incoming links? —  AjaxSmack   02:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the stupidest moves ever. What exactly on the list is more important than the band? A 1988 computer game with four lines in the article? Six of the things there don't even have articles while the rest have tags and are stubs. Metallica links to the band, why? notability Pantera links to the band, why? notability? I guess you better request a move for gun to gun (weapon) because that has many links and link bird to bird (animal) because it gives impression that the weapon and animal is something more important than anything else named gun or bird. Move it back. M3tal H3ad 07:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I also question the necessity of this move, especially without a more rigorous discussion. It seems to me that a move that is contested should either be subject to a regular move discussion on the article's talk page or dropped outright, not unceremoniously rammed through. --Bongwarrior 07:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A little civility would be nice : ) - Anyway, feel free to further discuss your personal POVs. In the meantime, absolutely nothing is hurt by the move. Readers merely have to click an additional obvious link, is all. - jc37 08:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and readers love clicking extra links. It makes it much more rewarding when you eventually find the page you were looking for. --Bongwarrior 08:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Kindly revert this change. This move was contested, and should have a proper discussion first. As an admin, you should know better. PC78 13:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, revert this please. That was a ridiculous move.  E LIMINATOR JR  17:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * }


 * --Qsaw (talk) 07:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, if we're copying discussions, the following is related to the above:


 * {|border=5


 * Move of Slayer page
 * Move of Slayer page

I have reverted this change. It was contested, and should have been discussed on the talk page first. Thanks,  E LIMINATOR JR  18:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A couple things. First is that your comment makes you an "involved" participant in the discussion, and also makes me wonder at your neutrality in "reverting" the move (no less than 5 minutes later). (And does "Ridiculous" sound WP:CIVIL to you?) And more discussion on the talk would have been preferable (as I noted in my response), and I think that reverting sounds like a nominee for The Wrong Version : )
 * I had some enjoyment yesterday reading over WP:LAME. If we let it, this could easily qualify. Anyway, I won't bother contesting the reversion at this time, since, as far as the page location is concerned, I honestly have no real preference either way.
 * Anyway, Hope you have a great day : ) - jc37 21:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes - apologies for the "ridiculous" - I probably meant something more like pointless, as I used in the edito summary. Thanks for taking it so well :)  E LIMINATOR JR  21:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing really to worry about. As it was, it's not as if the "discussion" at WP:RM was much more than WP:ILIKEIT woven with incivility. (I kind of enjoyed the comments about "What about bird and gun and...") Shrugs. I'd personally have loved to see an actual citation showing notability above and beyond the rest of the Slayer references, that's typically the fastest way to sell me on something in a discussion : )
 * Anyway, while I appreciate the apology, no worries about your comment. Just continue on positively helping develop this thing we call Wikipedia : )
 * Have a great one. - jc37 08:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * }

- jc37 17:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Move discussion
Personally, I still have no opinion on the move, except that the naming should follow current policies/guidelines. Feel free to discuss below. - jc37 17:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The move should be done for the reasons stated in discussions above. Only problem with such move would be about 1k of articles linking to the slayer article. Perhaps it would be good idea to fix those links before the actual move because Slayer (band) redirects to Slayer for now, so nothing would be hurt. Maybe a bot coud be used to handle those links. --Qsaw (talk) 13:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose unless there is any specific reason to believe that this is not the primary topic. Looking through the dab, and with reference to the volume of links mentioned, this appears to be the most culturally prominent usage. Dekimasu よ! 13:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Primary topic of all of the things named "slayer" would be literal meaning of this word, which existed before the band with same name was formed. It is much safer, for WP:NPOV sake, to have this article under name Slayer (band) --Qsaw (talk) 11:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're talking about a dictionary definion though, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. PC78 17:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Yes, there are other uses of this term, but all of the other dab page entries seem to be of lesser notability. Unless someone is willing to make a case for Slayer (Buffyverse), then there's no reason for this article not to be regarded as the primary subject. PC78 17:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per above. M3tal H3ad 14:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NC. antiXt 07:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Music sample
I think most of people would agree, that there should be more classical Slayer music sample, like from Lombardo-era. Reign in Blood made them so famous. Or South Of Heaven. It is like somebody wants to listen to a typical Metallica song and you give him "Fuel" instead of "Master Of Puppets".--Lycantrophe 15:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Backcover of Reign in Blood LP
Can someone use this on this page, it's awesome:P --Leladax (talk) 20:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

"Guilty of being white" misinterpretation?
The Ian MacKaye article seems to say that MacKaye was not offended at Araya's change of lyrics, but rather that people would find any racist message in the song at all. Can someone with access to the reference (97 as of this writing) double-check the statement in context? 205.167.180.132 (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that as well- the Minor Threat page says "In an interview in Steven Blush's book American Hardcore: A Tribal History, MacKaye has stated that he was offended that some perceived racist overtones in the lyrics." I don't have a copy of the book so I can't verify though. I might know someone who does, I'll look into it.Thee darcy (talk) 16:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Hardcore punk
I think Hardcore punk should be included in their genre list cause they were influenced by Hardcore punk acts.


 * You said it right, it's an influence, not a genre associated with Slayer's music. Kameejl (Talk) 21:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * But if hardcore punk was an influence then it is a genre associated with Slayers music, right?--74.234.131.185 (talk) 19:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)How would slayer be hardcore punk there basicly thrash metal and speed metal and close to death metal.


 * They did make one hardcore punk song though, JS. The song I hate you was their one punk song. It wasn't quite thrash metal and its lyrics were vulgar and ferocious toward another person. Thrash metal often describes societal or religious conflicts, but a problem between two people is usually punk.99.108.198.222 (talk) 18:02, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Influence
I wonder if anyone can substantiate the rumors I've long heard that Slayer provided suggestions and assistance to both the Butthole Surfers during the recording of Independent Worm Saloon and Suicidal Tendencies during the recording of Join the Army. (Rocky George of ST later worked with Hanneman on in the short-lived punk project Pap Smear.) I think it's also worth mentioning in the main article that Kerry King contributed to labelmates the Beastie Boys' Licensed to Ill. If all three of these are true then I think it would be safe to say that Slayer has had a direct influence on other bands that goes beyond the normal definition of the term. Sofa King (talk) 21:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Kerry King definetely contributed to Lisenced to Ill. My dad owns a copy of the album, and Kerry's in the credits for playing on "Fight for Your Right (To Party)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Executioner (talk • contribs) 22:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Download Festival
Slayer did NOT headline the festival. Request to remove it, or edit it? Mark handscombe (talk) 10:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

If you have a source, then go for it. Dark Executioner (talk) 15:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * These are the only ones I can find on the Download website, but the wikipedia article on the festival covers all 5 past years (03-07), and they haven't headlined once.   Mark handscombe (talk) 21:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Feuds
Whilst the section is immaculately referenced, do we really feel that this section is notable? There are feud sections on other band pages as well, and when they broadly boil down to two bunches of people calling each other names on stage or in interviews I you're stretching notability. As it is it makes the page look 'unprofessional', for lack of a better word. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Every band has some sort of feud with another and it seems kind of trivial to the article. I removed the section, thanks for bringing it up. M3tal H3ad (talk) 02:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoa, shouldn't it still be mentioned somewhere in the article though? Every Slayer fan knows that the band has either directly criticized or dissed Megadeth and Machine Head. It would contribute to people's knowledge about Slayer. Dark Executioner (talk) 13:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, yeah, and Metallica and who knows who else. The question is whether it is notable and encyclopedic. I'd argue not, particularly if it's just a record of X called Y shit so Y called X gay etc etc. Its inclusion is unnecessary. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the only feud Slayer still has going is the one with Megadeth. Machine Head and Slayer made up sometime in 2005 or 2006 because MH (finally) abandonded nu-metal and went back to their original sound. Festering Rat Corpse (talk) 19:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Grammy
Why can't we add 'grammy award winning' they won a grammy! Nineinchsin (talk) 20:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

That's right, it was for "Eyes of the Insane," if I'm not mistaken. If you could just provide a direct source then we're good to go! Dark Executioner (talk) 21:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's already stated in the article, dude. Someone must've added it before I read your comment. According to the article, they have won not 1, but 2 Grammys, one for "Final Six" as well. Dark Executioner (talk) 21:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Then why does the article say "PLEASE DON'T ADD GRAMMY WINNING"? - Aki (talk) 15:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Songs
Slayer's had a whole career of making great songs. How come only 4 of them have articles? 68.215.135.22 (talk) 22:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty well informed – in fact I'm listening to them right now – and I can only name a few of their songs, and one of those is a Judas Priest song! So, you see, it's because of how notable those songs are. I think those four are representative. --Rfsmit (talk) 00:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Death Metal
I really don't consider Slayer to be death metal at all, but I've noticed someone keeps adding it to the page for some reason. They were one of the biggest, if not the biggest, influence on the death metal genre, but I wouldn't think this makes them death metal in any way, does it? 24.255.138.82 (talk) 01:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Slayer surely has a more extreme approach (speed, lyrics) compared with another thrash acts from the 80's, but this doesn't qualify them as death metal. 189.26.82.134 (talk) 17:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

They aren't death metal but they are damn close. Listen to Megadeth for comparison, they have nothing on Slayer's violence and speed. Slayer is definitely the closest thrash band to death metal. The only major difference I know of is that Slayer dosen't use death growls.--74.234.131.185 (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

It has often been argued that Slayer would have been the first Death Metal band, if Arraya's vocals would have been `Death-style'. But since his vocals are not, Slayer is simply one of the bands (or the band?) that influenced Death Metal. [XXX Citation for this, please.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.102.152 (talk) 05:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

sorry
I am sorry. I have no idea how the infobox just deleted like that when I changed it but it did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloodfall (talk • contribs) 23:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

"Cute Fuzzy Puppie Kittens?"
Is this a joke, seriously? Who is that, and how on earth are they associated with Slayer??? 68.217.38.7 (talk) 16:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

There is none. I removed it. Festering Rat Corpse (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Or they enjoy jokes. 71.101.238.116 (talk) 04:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see any humor.--Metalhead94 (talk) 00:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Why "Human Genocide"?
what's the source of name "Human genocide"?.as far i know the title wasn't revealed,so edit it back to "Tenth studio album". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.229.150 (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 12:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Knac%com interview with Jeff Hanneman" :
 * "Slayer’s Tom Araya on Satanism, serial killers and his lovable kids" :
 * "Slayer’s Tom Araya on Satanism, serial killers and his lovable kids" :
 * "Slayer’s Tom Araya on Satanism, serial killers and his lovable kids" :
 * "Slayer’s Tom Araya on Satanism, serial killers and his lovable kids" :

Christ Illusion fair use rationale
The cover of Christ Illusion does not have a fair use rationale for this article (FA?). To fix this, see this image and do it the same way. Cheers.--  LYKANTROP   ✉  16:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Updated.  Canniba  loki  22:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Spelling Mistake
Necrophilia is spelled wrong in the second paragraph. I'd change it but its locked.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.184.255.125 (talk • contribs)
 * ✅  Canniba  loki  21:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Sections
The article shouldn't be divided by albums. This is the history of the band, not the albums, it's getting a little cluttered, and also they're (except for Christ Illusion) about a paragraph each. This could be improved.  Rockk3r  Spit it Out!  16:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Some help guys? Genre slot..
hey guys..just really curious....What happened to the Genre slot on top for this band? it's gone? for all Bands actually? all artists..i hope this is just for maintenance..it'd be really bad if wiki took it out..Thank u guys...hope someone ca clear this out... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.154.213.151 (talk) 22:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Lyric genre
Currently, the main Slayer page states that they use `shouting vocals'. It could, however, be argued that Arraya's singing style is quite far from typical shouting vocals (as in death metal or grind core), but is rather a type of `spoken vocals'. Indeed, one of the arguments that has been put forth that Slayer is *not* a Death Metal band is that Arraya's singing style is too far from 'death grunt'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.102.152 (talk) 05:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The vocals are shouted. Death metal involves growled vocals, while Araya yells his. In the album "God hates us all" there is alot of shouting and some screaming involved too. Hell Awaits also features shouting. Yeah, death metal isn't shouted. Death metal is usually slayer's sound plus growling and vocals you can't understand while thrash metal is shouted or screamed vocals or sung vocals with a fast pace and somewhat lighter sound. Slayer definitely influenced Death metal since they are like a bridge between thrash and death.199.107.16.119 (talk) 19:26, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Timeline w/ drummers
According to the timeline, Dave Lombardo was the drummer for the album "God Hates Us All". Although it is true that Lombardo finished the tour Bostaph couldn't finish, due to an injury, Bostaph still was the drummer on the album, right? If not, then I'm terribly sorry for my lack of knowledge ;). AthCom (talk) 23:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Even better, my GHUA cd booklet lets me know that Paul Bostaph was indeed the drummer on that album. AthCom (talk) 23:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Good look! I corrected the error, take a look.  Canniba   loki  03:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, just wanting the article to be accurate. :) Nice job! AthCom (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

"Style" section
Under the heading "Style", "The album Reign in Blood is the band's fastest, performed at an average of 250 beats per minute. Even now, very few bands can approach this speed.". Why quote an average figure? And does the last sentence refer to an album-wide average, or the fastest tempo, because Slayer approaches double this tempo during Necrophobic and Altar of Sacrifice – they both maintain a tempo of about 490 bpm in the 2/4 sections. A fair-use clip would illustrate this, if anyone else has the time. Plus, I'm sure it's not a question of whether or not other bands can play at such a tempo; rather, whether or not they want to do so. As it stands, the article reads like a 12 year old's secret journal, and not an encyclopedia.--Rfsmit (talk) 23:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Need more Pictures?
There are only two pictures and they are the same ones, come on its a featured article surely there is other good slayer pic out there. New Order (talk) 00:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes is possible, I will see what I can do.-- Canniba  loki  01:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Rabid Fans
I didn't think I saw anything about this in there, but shouldn't something be included about the violence that has a tendency to break out during their shows?

"Slayer was recieved by audiences who, without exception, went completely crazy, starting elatedly violent mosh pits even in venues that had columns of seats. The highly industrious fans at New York's Felt Forum went even further, tearing the seats out from the floor and using them as projectiles, which bounced back and forth above the crowd's heads sort of like inflatable beach balls, albeit ones with metal surfaces and sharp exposed bolts. Lead singer Araya, evert the pacifist, petitioned the audience to calm down, only to have a flying seat cushion pelt him in the head. Needless to say, the tour cemented Slayer's reputation as a live band whose ability to whip audiences into a seething mob was both feared and admired."

-"Encyclopedia of Heavy Metal" by Daniel Bukszpan

Jn motto (talk) 15:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can find some citations, (such as news stories about the violent fans) then you can add it. I know slayer fans can get violent, (i got stepped on in a mosh pit once, XD), but we can't add it without footnotes, or else it would be original research. KMFDM FAN (talk!) 17:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

John Stewart show
Slayer was on the John Stewart show in 1995 for a live performance of Seasons of the Abyss.Notable piece of trivia not sure where to fit it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Destructofunk (talk • contribs) 18:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's not notable. So it would fit in no where. KMFDM FAN (talk!) 15:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

as far as i know it was Slayer's first live nationally televised performance.i don't see how its not relevant. Destructofunk (talk) 20:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey Destructofunk, do you have a link to that, by any chance? You should post that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.130.99 (talk) 20:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Poorly written
I don't know anything about this band, and sentences like this do not help:

"Slayer is best known for speaking through perspective without being necessarily sympathetic to the cause of their inspiration."

I have no idea what it means that they "speak through perspective." Please rewrite or explain. 76.201.153.87 (talk) 21:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed, although I understand what was meant by the statement, it was poorly phrased. So I have removed it. – B.hotep •talk• 19:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd agree on this - another area I found was "Hanneman's lyrics deal with Nazis and similar topics." What the hell are "similar topics" to "Nazis?" Germany, Jews, Genocide... that statement could be taken in a million ways and is ridiculously vague. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.225.81.139 (talk) 23:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

"King's lyrics are generally just very anti-religious. Araya's lyrics usually deal with less controversial topics than Hanneman and King such as serial killers and warfare." Is that sarcasm/trolling, or just incredibly poorly worded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.23.113 (talk) 13:02, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Very uncontroversial. No one will be offended by that. BTW, similar topics to nazis are the Imperial Japanese, and White supremacy.199.107.16.119 (talk) 23:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hell Awaits
Not sure if this is true or an urban legend but I always thought the backwards "join us" from the beginning of Hell Awaits was sampled from the first Evil Dead movie (not that it's backwards in the movie). I bring it up because the "join us" part of the song is already mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.152.57 (talk) 09:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Source?
Would this be a reliable source for Slayer being death metal? Also if you google search Slayer + death metal you get about 1,470,000 results. 70.245.160.120 (talk) 04:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC) wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.233.69.89 (talk) 10:48, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really. Hell Awaits doesn't have the Death Growls of Death metal. It's thrash but very similar to Black metal. Slayer was highly influential to Death metal and Black metal, lyrics wise and with the tuned down, dark guitar sound. 199.107.16.119 (talk) 23:58, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Genre
I recently changed the genre in the lead from "Heavy metal", back to "thrash metal". My edit was nearly instantly reverted, on the basis that "heavy metal" is neutral. I do not mean to offend, but that does not even make sense to me. Slayer is thrash metal, always have been, and it also says "thrash metal" in the info box. What is not neutral about listing Slayer's actual genre? "Heavy metal" is its own genre, and putting it in the head of the Slayer article is misleading. I welcome any feedback.--Metalhead94 T C 17:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "Heavy metal" is not an implied genre per se, but a way of saying they are a "metal" band. It's neutral in the way that it's general and not overly specific to avoid edit warring. Erzsébet Báthory(talk 18:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * They say Black Sabbath plays only Heavy metal, though they're the first doom metal band as well. This is a Wikipedia thing.99.108.198.222 (talk) 18:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Edits
Under "World Painted Blood": "Once the band finished World Painted Blood, which was the final record in their contract, the band would sit down and discuss its future" is a terrible sentence. At worst case it should at least be "Once the band finished World Painted Blood, the final record in their contract, they would sit down to discuss their future." The tense is off on this sentence, so at least standardize it one way or the other. It doesn't matter if you use "its" or "their".

Also from that section: " It will be available on November 3 (North America) and November 2 (Worldwide)." It's out by now, so that should be changed.

Under "Writing and style": "King or Hanneman will use a 24-track and drum machine to show band members the riff they have created, and to get their opinion". Should be "King and/or Hanneman use a 24-track and drum machine to show band members the riff(s) they have created and ask their opinion."

Under "Influence": "The band's 1986 release, Reign in Blood has been an influence to extreme and thrash metal bands since its release." -> "The band's 1986 album..."

Controversy: "Eagle atop swastika" -> "eagle atop a swastika" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.85.54.212 (talk) 16:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Origin
Slayer in fact are not from Hunington Park but are actually from South Gate. There pictures are actually in the 1983 South Gate High yearbook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.94.105.140 (talk) 01:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

That's funny but I was about to add something about their origin. I agree with SineBot, they are not from Huntington Park, rather they are from South Gate. Played at the South Gate High School Talent Show and at South Gate Park's Battle of the Bands on Halloween. In fact, my uncle used to own an upholstery shop on Long Beach Blvd, where Tom Araya's grandmother brought in a couch to have re-upholstered. In her couch we found an ID bracelet that read "Thomas Araya” She used to live on Southern Ave. Sepulveda4 (talk) 02:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Timeline
The above timeline was removed, I think it should be kept because it makes easier to know which drummer was in each major release and is specially useful for visual people. It's also helpful for a quick reference. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 20:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree. I don't think it conveys any more information than is already in the Members section (names, positions, and dates, to be specific). I just presents it in a different format. In fact it doesn't fulfill the purpose you say it does: "it makes easier to know which drummer was in each major release". Alright: looking just at the timeline, tell me who played drums on Reign in Blood. Can't do it because A) the releases aren't named, there's just vertical black lines representing "studio albums"; and B) even if I already knew that Reign in Blood came out in 1986, the black line there seems to intersect both Dave Lombardo and Tony Scaglione. I don't see how this graph conveys any information that the simple list of members doesn't. And besides, if a reader really wanted to know which drummer played on each major release, we have articles for each of the albums, with Personnel sections just for that. This is just a graph for the sake of having a graph. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I must admit, I saw this revert the other day and I agreed with your edit summary, IllaZilla. Basically, the only information to be gleaned from it is that when Lombardo wasn't on drums, either Scaglione, Bostaph or Dette was. On a personal note (to be taken with a pinch of salt, if you like), the colours hurt my eyes and I can see black dots at the intersects like one of those illusion images. – B.hotep •talk• 21:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Number of records
How many records Slayer has sold world-wide ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.44.247.218 (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

soundtracks
I wish they had gone with Slayer instead of Daft Punk for Tron. That would've been cool. Hopefully we can hear some Slayer soundtracks in the future. It would really give a different spin to a movie. Some films (other than Tron) that I think would be improved by getting a slayer soundtrack: Inception, Jackass, Sex and the City. In fact if every movie had a Slayer soundtrack then it would be easier to tell which movies are any good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.84.63 (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If every movie had Slayer soundtracks then their music would stop being as awesome when it's in movies. Jackass: The Movie actually had "Angel of Death" play during a car stunt. "Angel of Death" also appeared in Gremlins 2: The New Batch and "Raining Blood" was featured in South Park. Crowz RSA 21:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Live Intrusion be merged into Slayer. I think that the context of the Live Intrusion article will never expand to more than it is due to lack of sources. The Slayer article only has one line about the DVD. There is really no need for a track list and personnel anyways because they can be found on several sites. ALSO the Slayer article is so close to getting to good topic (see my progress), but this article is really holding me back. Thanks, Crowz RSA 21:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Oppose. Live Intrusion is a relevant article. Don't have valid reasons.. The Live Intrusion needs to be improved, not merged. MetalBrasil (talk) 17:52, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. It's one of dumbest things to say "they can be found on several sites" -- Wikipedia should be the site. Also, the whole idea of removing information just to get some "star" for "Good" or "Feature Article" is completely pointless and counter-productive. There should be more information, not more badges. Also, "Merging should be avoided if [...] The topics are discrete subjects and deserve their own articles even though they may be short" -- Serguei Trouchelle 20:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Indifferent. I would like to put forward a suggestion. How about merging it into the article for the Divine Intervention album? It was recorded on the tour for that album, wasn't it?. Have it as a separate subsection with the album cover and tracklisting, or something.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 00:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Relevant article, agree with MetalBrasil Skuld (talk) 14:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I agree that it is a relevant article. If you were to merge it, it would make more sense to merge it with the Divine Intervention page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.99.128.133 (talk) 17:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

WSOU Reference
I feel we should refrence the fact that WSOU does not play Slayer, considering the station is very well known and it really shows how much people fear Slayer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.150.237.56 (talk) 00:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

thrash metal/speed metal
Hey kid, stop changing the genre! Watch this video and learn. They were originally called speed metal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s5C0hwnKvI&playnext=1&list=PL57154C2A073F4C27&feature=results_main — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.199.41.111 (talk) 12:17, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Why are they just listed as thrash metal? Many websites list slayer as speed metal too, and that can be proven by songs such as aggressive perfector, which exhibit qualities more similar to speed than thrash.99.108.198.222 (talk) 18:20, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Prose?
Paragraphs might be pretty short, so this article has to be expanded with prose.  A \/\ 9 3 r-  ( 0 la   01:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Kind of related: It is disappointing to see the amount of prose given to more recent info when compared to the first decade or so. It is easier to add refs based on relatively unimportant news now than it was 10 years ago. That is the nature of Wikipedia and the Internet. It isn't out of hand on this article (congrats on the FA) but it is easy to see the trend just by looking at the amount of prose given to the last few years. Maybe trim some less important stuff out of the newer sections or see if something can be done to give more prominence to Slayer's heyday. 66.235.46.168 (talk) 05:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)