Talk:Sleep No More (Doctor Who)

Clara longest companion in revived series
I have mathematically worked out that, after this episode, Clara will have been in more episodes as a companion than any other companion in the revived series (she will have appeared in 33 episodes; Amy Pond, in second place, has appeared in 32 episodes as a companion). Where should this go on the article?Theoosmond (talk) 15:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Nowhere. It's trivia, unsourced, and unrequired. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  16:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You have to cite a source that says that this is notable (ie not trivia). DonQuixote (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe that it might go in continuity Person23i (talk) 03:58, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

You can't mention facts, this is an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.88.6 (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please review WP:VERIFY and WP:TRUTH. Encyclopaedias rely on summarising secondary sources that engage in fact checking and/or peer review. DonQuixote (talk) 00:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

2+2=4 [citation needed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.88.6 (talk) 12:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is, what episodes are you counting? Some might not be considered episodes where Clara is a companion (due to how the Impossible Girl concept was introduced). If the BBC or a secondary source make that statement, then're we're fine. --M ASEM  (t) 15:03, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The episodes I counted were the ones Wikipedia infoboxes have stated Amy and Clara were companions in, so "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" and "Asylum of the Daleks" were not part of the calculation. So Clara has done 33 episodes so far, the 2012 Christmas special (1 episode), Series 7 part 2 (8 episodes), 2013 specials (2 episodes), series 8 (12 episodes), 2014 Christmas special (1 episode) and series 9 up to 'Sleep no More' inclusive (9 episodes). Amy did series 5 (13 episodes), 2010 Christmas special (1 episode), series 6 (12 episodes) and series 7 part 1 (5 episodes). I realised when typing this up that Amy wasn't a companion in "Closing Time", so she actualy did 31 episodes as companion (not 32). So, according to the rule I created using Wikipedia infoboxes, Clara beat the record after "The Zygon Invasion".Theoosmond(talk)(warn) 17:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * And see, that's the problem is that our convention on WP's infoboxes is not necessary how the BBC tracks it. Hence why we need to have external validation to avoid OR. --M ASEM (t) 17:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Could this article in Radio Times in December 2014 be used as a source? It counts Amy as 33 episodes, and Clara as 36 by the end of series 9. Technically Amy wasn't a companion in "Closing Time" as she does not interact with the Doctor, but she does appear in the episode and Karen Gillan is credited in the opening titles. --Canley (talk) 13:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a rather outdated article that assumes Clara's presence in every episode - we know for certain that she won't be in "Heaven Sent", so we need a newer source that reflects this. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  13:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Gender of 474
So we know the "grunt" character 474 is played by transsexual comedian Bethany Black, but is the character male or female (or neither)? There is a gender nominative term "herself/himself" in the sentence about 474's sacrifice to save Chopra. There's some back and forth editing going on, with the latest that the character is male but played by a female actor. I originally reverted the term to "herself", based on writer Mark Gatiss's reference to 474 as "she" in this interview with BBC America (and he is specifically referring to the character, not the actor): "The sort of idiot-savant, that’s what she’s like. She’s bred for war, but unexpectedly is in love with this other soldier because she thinks he’s pretty, and he hates it. But I love this idea of this sort of lumbering soldier who is sort of simple. And then when Clara finds out that she’s a clone, and they’re just breeding them for war, that’s what the tattoo is. She’s just been stamped with it in the factory." Is there any "official" reference to the character being "male", or is it being assumed based on the character's appearance? --Canley (talk) 23:56, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * My bad, as the BBC website profile has "she" in there. So we'll say 474 is female. --M ASEM (t) 00:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)