Talk:Sleeper hold

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I took out "not only...but also pushing the in to blood circulation cut off" because it was repetitive. I'm not sure what the original meaning of the thing after the "not only" was supposed to mean, cause I don't know very much about this subject, but it sure didn't add anything. Maybe someone can add it back in sensically. -Deicidus 06:00, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)

There was so much information to add to this article that it basically had to be re-written. In addition to all the extra (and much more accurate) information, I divided the article into topics (including the warning/disclaimer) and added it to the Martial arts terms category. I might suggest someone re-write the instructions to make them more readable. The original follows:

"The Sleeper Hold is a fighting move made popular in wrestling. It is meant to put the victim into an instant sleep.

The Sleeper Hold is not a myth, it is an actual technique. However, it is only recommended for the most extreme circumstances due to the possibilty of death.

How it is Done
Stand behind your opponent. Put your right arm around his neck, coming in from the right side. Put your left arm under his left armpit, bring your hand up to the back of his head, and push forard. Squeeze your arm around the opponent's throat, making sure to squeeze the veins very hard. One effectively has the opponent locked, and is cutting off their blood circulation.

After about 6 seconds of the opponent being in this hold, the opponent will go limp. This move is very dangerous, if one holds the opponent in this lock for too long, the opponent will die."

DrWoody 05:23, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

"Sleeper" Hold.
This sounds suspiciously like Hadaka Jime, the "Naked Strangle" of (Kodokan) Judo, and Tenjin Shinyo jujutsu as well as other jujutsu that have to do with hard grappling.

User_Talk:Michael_Reiter

Yes, it is the same as hada kajime (sp?).


 * Yes, and since due to the common translation, "Hadaka jime" currently redirects to rear naked choke. Shawnc 20:37, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Rear Naked Choke
In the English language, this is formally called a "rear naked choke" (abbreviated RNC), and is a type of "lateral vascular restraint". There is an existing article on the RNC; this article should be merged with that one. - User:SB 11:24, 4 Oct 2005 (PDT)
 * I agree, not just because I started the RNC article, but because RNC is currently the standard English term in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Mixed martial arts. Shawnc 20:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

"DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS AT HOME"
Isn't this POV ? Apokrif 16:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've removed that clause. Shawnc 00:32, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree that this article should be merged
The majority of this article is already covered under rear naked choke, and the rest pertaining to pro-wrestling should be put with the other pro wrestling moves: Professional wrestling holds ---Marcus- 14:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)it very cool