Talk:Sliding knife

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Reply, You did not read the wikipedia "your first article" page They say do not create a new article if there is a similar article already, and do not create a short article that is just a definition which really belongs in Wiktionary, OTF is a very general term, otf should redirect to either switchblade or gravity knife,

You have created a second gravity knife page, just for the term Out-The-Front, You would not create a second switchblade page for OTF's would you ?

your explanations for OTF switchblades as single action and double action should be in the swichblade article.

Gravity knives are not just paratrooper knives, there are over 20 types of gravity knives moving small non military gravity OTFs to a separate article about the general term OTF is also redundant. I object to you moving the small gravity knives to the OTF article., but I did not change it back, I'm thinking on this yet. .. The two small gentlemans gravity knives, are in fact, true gravity knives, the only way to open them is to point them down and let gravity open them. and not "sliding knives" like a christy cutter, There is no "sliding knife" article to be found, which is where Case sliding knives, and christy cutters should be listed. Also if and when you re-direct information, your should provide linked text, not just move stuff away without a link.

The legal part of Gravity knife was already edited twice, to correct the original writer's brief legal caution, check the dates. Jerryk50 (talk) 23:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

My thinking was that there are multiple ways to sub-categorize knives, with many falling in more than one category.

Since there are both OTF and side-folding Gravity Knives, it seemed logical to cover both aspects, rather than try to fit both into an article fundamentally about the Paratroop knife (which probably rates its own small article just for the Fallschirmjagermesser).

"You would not create a second switchblade page for OTF's would you ?"

Since there are also automatic OTFs, and roll-lock OTFs, etc., I thought that OTFs in general deserved their own article. It's not meant to be a sub-division of "Gravity Knife", but a meeting ground between the OTF aspects of Gravity Knife, Switchblade, and any other knives which are neither folding nor fixed.

It'd be great to add some info about the Case sliding knives and Christy cutter which you mention. Do you feel that they could fit under the OTF article, with a redirect (and explanatory note) from Sliding Knife, or do you feel that there is a concrete distinction between OTFs and slding knives?

Thanks for any info. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

--- I was not going to change the moved drawings, I'm getting used to your idea, but I think that there should be these 3 revisions. in the OTF article, the big change would be a different primary OTF image other than the fallsmjagermesser because it make it look too much the same as the gravity page, Secondly in the OTF article adjacent to the gentlemans gravity OTF's, there should be posted the dwg of christy cutter and case slider knives ( I have a drawing under construction) with an explanation that all OTF'S are not legally restriced because yaddah yaddah. . . and thirdly, in the gravity article, there should be a paragraph referring to the OTF article and mentioning that additional gentlemans gravity type and slider type illustrations may be found there.

quote-"article fundamentally about the Paratroop knife " I believe the gravity knife article is not about paratrooper knives, otherwise you would have to talk about schrade folders, I believe the article is about all types of gravity knives. It was difficult for me not to post images of the 1960's bundeswer paratrooper(bakelite silk ripper), and the othello civilian trapdoor OTFs, even though they are different, they are still just more types or big paratroop weapons.

Given that the whole sum of knowledge about knife collecting would be an encyclopedia unto itself, all knife terms cannot possibly get their own article, with is why wiktionary exists. I feel the term "OTF" should get its own article, that's good. If you look at this like a biology tree, there are fixed blade knives, and pocketable knives. the pocket knives get subdivided into OTF and Folding, and each of those can be automatic, gravity, manual, and other (mechanical).

The problem is, ( and I didn't start it,) someone else made the gravity and switchblade the dominant articles. They didn't follow the OTF vs FOLDING biology tree concept. so now we're stuck with it. I added the photos to gravity, and wanted to show that they exist in all shapes and sizes. and that the term gravity is disputed between groups of collectors and lawyers and colloquial terms. And now, with the removal of the lesser types, the article has reverted back to, gravity blades being only big weapons, which is not accurate. The gravity article should display multiple types of gravity blades, even if some types are disputed by various groups.

If the OTF article needs a photo or drawing of an OTF type knife, then it should display an automatic, a gravity, and a slider, but I don't believe the OTF article should go into detail defining multiple types of OTF switchblades (DA and SA), not because of my opinion, but because by wikipedias rules, that there already was an article defining different types of OTF switchblades. At a certain point, a knife variant (like the pantographic knife) should get its own article. but not this time.

lastly. the exposure of the fraudulant legend about sticking a victim with an OTF while opening is good. and belongs in the OTF article since it is not about folding switchblades, but the way it is presented seem too much like the single action and double action section in the original switchblade article. but I have not thought on this too much yet.

post script, all these catagory problems can also be applied to terms like "picklock" "humpback" and "flylock" Jerryk50 (talk) 08:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

---Lots of good points; we're of pretty similar minds here.

Agreed that excessive overlap would be redundant, so I could see the "OTF" article having a very short blurb about OTF automatics with a "See main: Switchblade#OTF" link, ditto a "See main: Gravity Knife#OTF" page.

I wouldn't necessarily say that the existence of both an "Folder/fixed/OTF" tree and an "Automatic/Slipjoint/Lockback" tree is a problem in itself. Multiple trees can be a good thing provided redundancy is minimized. In a similar way, the sitar is in two separate trees "String Instruments-->Long-necked lutes" as well as "Music of India --> Indian stringed instruments".

Deconflicting pictures would definitely be a good idea; I only recycled Fallsch. pics since that was one of the few applicable pics available. If you have pics of the US sliding knives you mention, those would be great.

I'm over in the Music section doing some re-org right now, so I'll be out from underfoot. I did a lot of subcategorizing for all the loose arcticles in Category:Knives, so I hope that proved helpful for folks overall (let me know if you found any flaws with that strategy that I should watch for). I'm looking forward to seeing your mods IRT gravity/OTF and the like, and will drop you a line before getting back into those, since you have a pretty clear gameplan at this stage. Good working with you thus far! MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

drawings are still under construction, looking for a copyright free example of particular item seems like underconstruction banner has been up for a while, but I have not forgotten, please stand by, will revise soon, current date May 06 2008 Jerryk50 (talk) 00:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC) --- replaced primary illustration of duplicate gravity fallschirmjagermesser with a new drawing showing 3 position staged deployment. May post a kershaw ripcord image later, I removed "under construction" banner. Jerryk50 (talk) 06:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC) --

To Lowellian administrator, please use the AKTI, American Knife and Tool Institute standard knife definitions,the google search saying sliding knife is more common term is incorrect, they have resistance to moving the blade, are a particular SUB-CATAGORY of OTF's, and are thus not illegal. This is not Original research, this is current terminology at this years atlanta blade show 2007, if you want to make a sliding knife page, make a separate one, about figures C and D. This Page is originally and specifically generated to be an explanation of the term OTF. Most of the knives show on the page are NOT sliders. I reference the definition of OTF in the book, Switchblades of Italy by zinserJerryk50 (talk) 09:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)