Talk:Sloboda Ukraine

It gave name to the rest of UA
Should we mention that this region gave its name to the rest of Ukraine? --Ghirlandajo 13:37, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Of course we should say it if this is an established version of the name origin. OTOH, I don't know whether it is or not. So, I can't judge on the merit of this claim. --Irpen 16:48, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source?


 * According to Magosci (A History of Ukraine, in a section about the name, pp. 171–2), Ukrajina was used in late 16th century Polish sources to describe "the large eastern palatinate of Kiev, together with Bratslav (after 1569) and Chernihiv (after 1619). With the rise of the Cossacks as a political force in the seventeenth century, the name Ukraine was still used, but once again in a territorially less specific manner. The Cossacks referred to Ukraine as their 'fatherland' or their 'mother,' and western cartographers (Beauplan, Homman) often drew maps indicating that 'Ukraine is the land of the Cossacks.'"


 * Subtelny (Ukraine: a History, p. 105) writes "However, by the end of the 16th century, the focus of events shifted back to the east, to the lands of the Dnieper basin that had long been partially depopulated. In that vast frontier, which at that time was specifically referred to as Ukraina – the land on the periphery of the civilized world – the age-old struggle of sedentary population against the nomads flared up with renewed intensity, fueled by the bitter confrontation between Christianity and Islam."  —Michael Z. 2005-09-23 17:06 Z 

map
Can User:Riwnodennyk please explain why do you persist in inserting a map which apart from numerous spelling errors, has no reference and on top of that bares all the traits of Original research wrt its geographical accuracy. I should not mention that it is actually being nominated for deletion on commons as we speak. Now per WP:V and WP:RS, these criteria are sufficient to remove it from the article. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 16:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do you vandalize spelling from Ukrainian to Russian (Kharkovsky - Kharkivsky etc)?--Riwnodennyk ✉ 10:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Article fails to address the Muscovite/Russian background of Sloboda Ukraine
This article suffers from a major failing: it doesn't adequately address the fact that Sloboda Ukraine was originally sovereign territory of Muscovy/Russia. The entire region, which had been under Tatar control since the early 1200's, was annexed by Ivan the Terrible in the 1550's. As the article correctly points out, the area was mostly uninhabited during these centuries. It appears that the first permanent settlers there were Russians sent south per policy of Ivan and his successors. When Russian settlement didn't lead to adequate population density of Sloboda Ukraine, the tsars decided to encourage Ukrainian Cossacks to migrate to the area in the early 1600's. Afterwards, Ukrainian Cossacks became the majority of the population, but the fact remains that Russians were established in Sloboda Ukraine before Ukrainians arrives, and everyone in the area remained subjects of the tsar for centuries afterwards.

I propose that the article should be revised and augmented to address the historical reality of the area's Russian background. Further, the article should include a historical map showing exactly where the Muscovite/Russian border ran through Sloboda Ukraine.

The passage starting on page 222 of this book -- Tatiana Zhurzhenko's Borderlands into Bordered Lands: Geopolitics of Identity in Post-Soviet Ukraine summarizes the period that needs to be discussed: http://books.google.com/books?id=pt03BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA225&lpg=PA225&dq=sloboda+cossacks&source=bl&ots=uDt2UIV_FR&sig=ZL4zUDevOYxZ6d845Ekilm_oXtU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xFXxU-DbJYyZyATXo4HwCg&ved=0CGsQ6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q=sloboda%20cossacks&f=false

This article needs a lot of work.

Anders6391 (talk) 01:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Here's a recent media article that addresses the complex history of the entire Donbass region, including Sloboda Ukraine. It quotes proponents of Ukrainian and Russian versions of the region's historical origins. Wiki's Sloboda Ukraine article would be vastly improved, I think, if it addressed the historiography behind these viewpoints and made some attempt to reconcile them.
 * http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/donbass-roots-of-violent-division-geography-history-culture/498447.html


 * Anders6391 (talk) 15:56, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Disagree. Article servre its (propaganda) purpose well ... no change needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.240.61.23 (talk) 09:32, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah ha...you are suggesting that the Wikipedia article is Ukrainian propaganda. I think that's your point. Whatever the case, I think these Wikipedia articles should strive to report the historical facts in as objective a way as possible. Kenmore (talk) 23:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

It looks like the Sloboda Ukraine article has been augmented since I originally posted in 2014. It now features accurate information about the region's deep history as Muscovite territory. I'm surprised to learn that the territory was annexed by Muscovy in 1503, taken from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Sloboda Ukraine abuts the Tatar lands taken by Muscovy/Russia in the 1550s. Some of those former Tatar lands may have formed the southern and eastern reached of Sloboda Ukraine. Anders6391 (talk) 23:33, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Sloboda Ukraine
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sloboda Ukraine's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Telegraph": From Poznań:  From 2023 Belgorod Oblast attack:  From Modern history of Ukraine:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Etymology
Ukraine didn't mean borderland, especially at this point in time, it certainly meant a country. "Borderland" doesn't start from a big letter, who wrote this nonsense? 194.183.187.8 (talk) 12:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)