Talk:Sloppy joe/Archive 1

WP Food assessment
I rated this article as a low importance C-class article. A classic American sandwich, beyond that not very important to American cuisine. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 03:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Um, the picture of the Sloppy Joe and potato chips could really be any sandwich for all you can tell, as you can't see what's between the buns. The picture really oughta be replaced. ekedolphin 08:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * And the bun looks like it has been heated with a blow torch.Schaddm 06:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

It is a really bad picture that doesn't really help with a description of what the sandwich should look like. I'll try to fix that as soon as I can. scaraghe —Preceding comment was added at 17:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Photo
Need good photo of sloppy joe on a bun (preferably falling out of the bun sloppily). Can someone take one? Badagnani (talk) 23:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed Advert
Removed advert for a commercial variant of this "food". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.199.146 (talk) 18:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Broken Link
The first external link is broken. I am new here so I am not making changes myself. I want to do a little self education before editing. So, can the person who created the link or someone who knows the proper URL please fix it.

Landslide2000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landslide2000 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Loosemeat v. Sloppy Joe
The article almost makes it sound like a loosemeat sandwich (I'm familiar with it being called a looseburger or "loosie" in Michigan) is the same as a sloppy joe. It isn't. A looseburger is identical to a hamburger except that the meat isn't packed into a patty, it's shredded like taco meat.

I'm moving the references out of the section "variations of the term" and into their own section called "variants." If someone who never had a sloppy joe asked for a looseburger or loosemeat in the midwest, they'd get that hamburger-like sandwich and not a sloppy joe.

Jamesfett (talk) 03:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm really not convinced about this. At a minimum, I think more needs to be said in the article about the similarities and differences between loose meat and Sloppy Joes. I had never heard of a loose meat sandwich before, but I'm pretty sure, growing up in Minnesota, that Maid-Rite was associated with Sloppy Joes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikslen (talk • contribs) 13:23, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Difference
How is this different from a hamburger? --sin-man 05:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

it's not solid, and it's got lots of sauce? 66.56.145.43 22:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Lochbradan 18:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds to me like a "Sloppy Joe" would be described by your average "Brit" as a "Savoury Mince" sandwich - I can see where the "sloppy" comes from... Paul-b4 09:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The difference between a Sloppy Joe sandwich and a hamburger is pretty much what user 66.56.145.43 described. The meat is not solid or compact and there is a tomato based sauce that keeps it together. That and adding things like lettuce or tomatoes isnt common at all. However, this is based off of the commercial version of the Sloppy Joe, what I am trying to do is to make the distinguish between the commercial version and the version offered in New Jersey. If you are asking about a comparison to that one, it is slightly more complicated then not solid and lots of sauce.

scaraghe

ketchup
Ketchup never touched my mom's sloppy joe sauce. She was an excellent Italian cook, so her Joe sauce was a slightly sweeter variation of her pasta sauce. Looking at recipes on the net, I see that most extant recipes do call for a quantity of ketchup, but there are some recipes without. I for one, don't think "flavored with ketchup" is a definitive statement, as it's presented here. Maybe "often flavored with ketchup?"Bustter (talk) 04:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

"Sloppy Joe" a pullover/sweatshirt
Does anyone have a source for this? I live in the UK and I've never heard the phrase "Sloppy Joe" used to describe an item of clothing. Is it purely a London thing, or an Aussie thing, or...? 217.155.20.163 15:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes it is a common term in Australia for a sweatshirt or pullover. Mentioned in the Macquarie dictionary Reidej (talk) 08:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

In Aus. a sloppy joe is what is known as a sweatshirt in the USA.

I'm also from the UK and am pretty definite that's not a phrase that'd be used here. A costume website I came across (http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/party/guides/cowboy-party.html) claims that cowboys call their t-shirts 'Sloppy Joes', which sounds a bit more plausible. It does seem to be an Australian phrase (http://www.geocities.com/buddychai/Misc/AussieDictionary2.html) though. --Acamon 13:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if this helps any, but I was looking in my English-Japanese dictionary hoping to find a Japanese description of the sandwich, but instead it describes a women's loose-fitting, heavy sweater which was popular in the 1940s. The dictionary is Genius Eiwa Jiten, 3rd edition, published by Daishukan Shoten. 218.182.11.94 09:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You're right! Good find! Ex-Nintendo Employee 15:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I live in Australia and I've never heard the term Sloppy Joe used for anything. A sweater or any sort of pullover is called a jumper. Of course I haven't met all 20 million of us, so who knows. Seems suspect, though.Schaddm 06:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * where in Oz do you live? it might just be a NSW thing or possibly even just a country thing, who can say, but i know that its used where i live. WookMuff 03:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * My mum uses "jumper" to refer to knitted wool pullovers, and "sloppy joe" to refer to a pullover made from anything else. I think the term is falling out of popular usage though. Dazcha 08:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I lived in Sydney all my life. 'Sloppy joe' was indeed the standard term for a machine-knit, fleecy-lined, long-sleeved jumper in the 70s and 80s. The term does seem to be falling out of common usage though. Morandir (talk) 01:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I live in Scotland and have called a jersey/pullover/white Tshirt a sloppy joe ever since I can remember. It's use as such has diminished in recent years so it is perhaps now dying as a description of these types of clothing. No reference to it's origin were ever passed on to me by my parents so I had always taken it for granted that it was a British idiom.

Yes a Sloppy Joe is an Austalian term for pullover, normally loose and often fleecy lined. Refence the Australian Macquarie Dictionary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reidjohnson (talk • contribs) 05:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as there is so much information about the Sloppy Joe Pullover, why doesnt someone just make a new page for it? I can add a "See Sloppy Joe Pullover" to the top to help out but I don't really know enough information about the pullover, so if someone wants to do that, it would be great. scaraghe —Preceding comment was added at 18:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

When I was a kid in London in the late 50s early 60s .. my parents used the term 'sloppy Joe' to mean what we later called a T-Shirt .. it was common usage then and remained so until the later 60s (66/67) when the term T-Shirt came into fashion. --IsarSteve (talk) 13:27, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * My mother just referred to a jumper/sweater as a sloppy joe and so l Googled and found this. She lives in rural Ireland but did live briefly in London in the late 1940 s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.147.153 (talk) 10:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

I was born and raised in Scotland and a t-shirt was called a Sloppy Joe in genteel Newton Mearns, when I moved to Sonning Common in 1956 no one else knew what I was talking about — Preceding unsigned comment added by Towy71 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Same here (Paisley). Never, ever heard the term used in reference to food (of any kind)! 86.4.208.159 (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

I live in the UK (Hertfordshire). When I was a kid, (1960's)a sloppy joe was (is) a t shirt. Nothing else to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.55.108 (talk) 19:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Hah! I came here specifically to look for sloppy joe as a t shirt! I grew up in London too, and they were always called sloppy joes when I was a kid. MarpoHarks (talk) 20:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I was born in Sheffield Yorkshire in the 1940s and sloppy Joe's were white tee shirts. 2A00:23C6:9326:7C01:F03B:DFC0:D284:A75A (talk) 16:26, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

I was born in Dublin and the term sloppy joes was used to describe a white t/shirt or a type of vest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M7teo (talk • contribs) 23:51, 30 January 2016‎

Wow, 11 years of comments in one thread! But, to summarize, it seems that "sloppy joe" is, or at least was, used in the UK & Ireland as a slang term for a white A-shirt or T-shirt, while in Australia it was used (or maybe still is, though it seems to have fallen off) as a slang term for what Americans and Canadians call a sweatshirt. Neither of which are the loose-meat-and-tomato-sauce-on-a-bun sandwich described in this article. (Of, for that matter, the other sandwich, a double-decked cold cut sandwich, found in parts of New Jersey, which isn't really as common as that article makes it seem. Heck, I never heard of it until I saw it here, and I've been a New Jersey resident my whole life; it's not really even a statewide thing, just a few places in Central Jersey.) oknazevad (talk) 23:25, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

I am Scottish and when I was a boy in the early 1960's a 'sloppy joe' was a popular type of leisure shirt at the time. Inever had one myself, but a few of my friends did. It was a bit like a sweatshirt, ie long-sleeved, made of cotton but more substantial material than a tee-shirt. I think it had a fleecy inside. The main thing I remember is that it was yellow and the round collar band also had a vee section below the collar front. I seem to recall that sloppy joes could be bought in Woolworths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lambrettamod (talk • contribs) 03:54 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * So that's another for use of the term as a nickname for a sweatshirt (the fleecy inside is pretty much the defining characteristic of sweatshirts, and that vee on the collar is pretty common, too). oknazevad (talk) 05:02, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Alexandra Shulman, ex-editor of Vogue magazine has a section on Sloppy Joe Sweaters in her book published in 2021, where she describes them as loose-knit, swampy, baggy, asexual sweaters. She wore one in 1975. The type of sweater she is describing are either hand-knitted or machine-knitted, and made simply from four rectangles with a dropped shoulder seam, which is the same shape as a t-shirt or sweatshirt: JaneLang2 (talk) 11:09, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Jersey Sloppy Joe
As a native New Jersian, I'm happy to see our Sloppy Joe represented here. However, I've never heard of one with turkey -- as far as I know they're always made with some kind of mammal, and usually bovine at that (either roast beef, corned beef, tongue, or other cow-meat). Can anyone settle this?

Menelaos 19:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's really nice to see it referenced here, because normally people will just look at you strangely. Livingston, represent! Aaaaanyway, I am pretty sure that I have had Jersey Sloppy Joes with turkey on them, but turkey would not usually be the only meat on there. --DavidK93 13:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

TVP
Is it really necessary to say that the meat can be replaced with textured vegetable protein? This is true of any and every sandwich, and continues to appear on their articles by the dozen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to agree! Besides, there are many more choices than TVP. Stuartea (talk) 12:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Article name
Even though they weren’t named after any specific Joe, it shouldn’t be sloppy Joes? Or Sloppy Joes? —Wiki Wikardo 04:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Urban Legend
Isn't there a urban legend that popped up that said it got its name from a butcher who served his cheating wife and her love to their families? Now i know wikipedia doesn't allow speculation but isn't it at least worth noting? Yami (talk) 23:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hot or cold?
Article isn't clear if it's served hot or cold, could someone clarify please?
 * I've never heard of anyone serving a cold sloppy joe. With all the oil in it, I'd imagine it'd be pretty nasty. Boneyard90 (talk) 00:58, 24 December 2010 (UTC)