Talk:Slovaks in Hungary

Slovaks in Hungary
Demographic and historical stats: 1 2 3 4 --Omen1229 (talk) 14:50, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Post-Trianon Hungary
Koertefa, this article speaks about Slovaks in present-day Hungary, which, by all means is not same as "post-Trianon Hungary". There was another treaty in Paris after World War II that changed borders of "post-Trianon Hungary" and transfered some settlements from Hungary to Czechoslovakia. Hungary without these settlements is simply not "post-Trianon Hungary" and it is an undisputed fact. If you want we can write "post-Paris Hungary" in parenthesis, but term "present-day Hungary" is already descriptive enough. PANONIAN 14:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right that "post-Trianon" is a bit vague, since there were indeed villages which were given to Czechoslovakia only after WWII. "Present-day" should be fine. K &oelig;rte F  a   { ταλκ }  04:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Slovaks in Slovakia
Since this article speaks about Slovaks in present-day Hungary, I do not see why we should speak here about history of Slovaks in present-day Slovakia. Even if we decide to speak about that, I do not see why we should only emphasize that Slovaks were under administration of the Kingdom of Hungary and avoid to mention that they lived within the borders of Great Moravia, which was much more important for their ethnic history. So, Koertefa, is there a single reason for us to edit article in the way you done it? PANONIAN 14:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I know that Great Moravia, that short-lived vassal state of the Frankish kingdom, is important for some romantic nationalists, but I highly doubt that it would be more important for the history of Slovaks in Hungary than those thousand years that passed since then. Nevertheless, you are welcome to add some information about it. In order to put the Slovak minority in Hungary in a context, it is very important to state that Slovaks lived about a thousand years side-by-side with the Hungarians. They were not simply "under administration of the Kingdom of Hungary". Slovaks and Hungarians strongly influenced each other, culturally, linguistically, etc. They lived together, there were many mixed-marriages, they fought together (e.g., in the Kuruc army, or consider György Szondy / Juraj Šucha), there are strong artistic connections (Bálint Balassi, Sándor Petőfi, etc). Slovaks in the present-day Hungary not immigrated into Hungary, but moved within the state. They could not be fully understood without the historical context, that is why it is important to include statements about the past. K &oelig;rte F  a   { ταλκ }  04:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Great Moravia is not important only to "some romantic nationalists" but to all Slovaks, no matter of their political orientation. It is question of origin of their ethnic identity and of their statehood. I do not see why should we compare how long they lived under administration of Great Moravia and under administration of the Kingdom of Hungary (and word "administration" is certainly not wrong because countries are nothing more but "political administrations over certain territories"). For Slovaks in general, time of administration of Great Moravia is undoubtedly more important than time of administration of the Kingdom of Hungary because of the simple fact that Great Moravia is seen by Slovaks as their own country, while Kingdom of Hungary is seen as foreign country that ruled over them against their free will. Therefore, if we speak about Slovaks in Slovakia, we also have to respect their view about their history and not only Hungarian view about Slovak history, which is often biased and anti-Slovak. We are obligated to write here an NPOV article about one ethnic group that live in one territory and we should not pollute that article with some controversial modern political disputes. PANONIAN  16:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The "Hungarian" view (what's that?) is "often biased and anti-Slovak"? What you are doing is that you take a 19th century romantic nationalist theory and project it back to the whole Slovak nation over the centuries. Why do you think that people, like Juraj Šucha, Sándor Petőfi, saw the Kingdom of Hungary as a "foreign" country? And why do you speak in the name of all Slovaks? Even if you were Slovak, you could only speak in your own name. There are no such things as universal Slovak or Hungarian viewpoints, hopefully, we are all individuals with our ideas. K &oelig;rte F  a   { ταλκ }  09:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)