Talk:Smadar Lavie

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I removed certain paragraphs from the Talk about this entry. (Some of them are not relevant anymore, and some of them were libelious and offensive.) All the non-offensive bits were left unchanged. GL 05:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The wikify tag notifies the Wikipedia community that you need help
You are more likely to get help with the tags on there. The tag lets people know that your article needs wikifying -- it's not a stigma -- it doesn't mean your article is bad. There are many Wikipedians who spend their time trying clear up the articles needing wikifying. Without the tag you are less likely to get help. Plus the tag has links to the Style Manual etc. showing you the rules you need to follow. Mattisse(talk) 22:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Much improved since you removed all that extra stuff
Just let the facts speak for themselves, with referencing citations of course. There is no immediate danger here. Mattisse(talk) 23:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Cite Sources
Please cite sources for these controversies. biographies of living persons require a high degree of citation and reliable sources. If none are provided then this whole article could be deleted in the future since the information could be seen as libel. Konman72 10:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Massive prune
I have hacked out everything but one paragraph which should be easy to justify.

Once you have referenced this properly, you can add more stuff in, but you're going to have to justify everything A LOT.

Anybody adding further attacks to this article is likely to be subject to sanctions of a lengthy nature.

HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 12:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I've taken advice and protected it, so work out any changes here on the talk-page in a peacable manner, please. —Phil | Talk 12:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Please remove even that single paragraph
I would propose to remove even that single paragraph until things are clarified on the discussion board. Can you please do that? GL 14:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.92.139 (talk • contribs)

Evidence that Smadar Lavie was, indeed, an Associate Professor at UC Davis

 * A Census of UC - Davis Social Science Faculty as of April 1998 meantions "Smadar Lavie, Associate Professor (also in Critical Theory)"
 * UC David General Catalogue mentions "Smadar Lavie, Ph.D., Associate Professor (Anthropology, Critical Theory)"

These are two independent websites of UC Davis, both mentioning Prof. Lavie as "Associate Professor."

GL 20:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Letters of appointment of Professor Smadar Lavie
For all those who ever dared to cast doubt into the title of Professor Lavie:


 * Promotion to Associate Professor, Step II, dated July 22, 1994, signed by Larry N. Vanderhoef, the Chancellor.
 * Promotion to Associate Professor, Step IV, dated April 21, 1997, signed by Professor Peter Rodman, the chair of the Department of Anthropology.
 * Confirmation of rank Associate Professor Step IV, and invitation to apply for promition for (full) Professor, Step I, dated June 9, 1998, signed by Professor Robert L. Bettinger, the chair of the Department of Anthropology.

GL 15:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Professor Lavie's current title

 * Class Schedules standard form addressed to Professor Smadar Lavie

Beit Berl College's president, Aharon Zeidenberg, verified Lavie's professorship directly with the University of California at Davis.

Professor Lavie's Age
Since this was also a subject of debate, I uploaded a scan of her passport (with its number covered) showing 05 Mar 1955 as date of birth.


 * The matter seems to have been resolved on the Hebrew wiki page. There's no reason not to include her date of birth on the English one.
 * 128.36.38.92 (talk) 03:57, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The birthdate is both contentious and contested (via OTRS). In such cases to meet BLP policy the date is either excluded, or only the year is given if it is supported by reliable sources. I have not seen anything that meets reliable sourcing criteria presented and have removed the BLP violating link that was previously included in this section.--Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 18:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Verdict of the Supreme Court of Israel
This is the verdict of the Israeli Supreme Court concerning the custody case (personal status) of Professor Lavie's son, in Hebrew:


 * Page 1
 * Page 2
 * Page 3
 * Page 4

And its English translation is available here:
 * PDF format

The legal terms are not perfect in this English translation (e.g., it should be leave of appeal instead of permission of appeal), but these are minor errors caused by translating the original Hebrew text verbatim.

There has never been any criminal charges against Professor Lavie, and the documents here are of civil nature. The court found that Professor Lavie was acting in order to save her son when she removed him from the USA.

GL 06:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Is There an Editor Reading This?
Gabor, I am not going to go into a deletion and counter deletion war with you. You chose to remove Smadar Lavie's biographical details from the "discussion",

Indeed
I did so in accordance with Wikipedia's policy that I quoted above. Indeed, and editor could be very helpful in resolving this issue. To satisfy your interest, I uploaded to my personal page Professor Lavie's letters of appointments.

(the above is by GL, I believe.). GL 15:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)~

Shin Bet and the Israeli Academy

 * Shin Bet and the Israeli Academy -- Partners in Human Rights Abuses?
 * Special Hebrew University - Shin Bet program (Haaretz): Shin Bet Staffers Wont Receive BA from Hebrew University

Other interesting links

 * Barred from the ivory tower

Low academic standards at the Hebrew University
This website might shed some light on how the Israeli adacademy operates: Higher Education in Israel. Two particularly interesting items are:


 * First open letter to HU Chairman of the Board Yigal Arnon
 * "That is a lie!"

It goes without saying that in accordance with the arrogant style and manners of censorship in the name of academic freedom typical of Israel's academe, Professor Bergman became a subject of academic witch hunt as a result of these publications as chronicled in his home page above.

Macalester Appointment
Someone is consistently entering erroneous information regarding Prof. Lavie's Macalester appointment. If the Wikipedia editors won't stop this person right away we will upload all relevant documents here, same as we provided information pertaining to her employment history in the past, when her credibility was defamed. We will contact Wikipedia's headquarters and request to block this defamatory user, as we have done in the past. Despite the nick, we have found out the real identity of the previous defamer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.194.21 (talk) 18:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit requests March 2010
Please update as follows: For academic year 2009/10 Lavie is an associate professor visiting the University of Virginia's interdisciplinary Studies in Women and Gender program. http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=11151

see here for a better bio http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=2449

madar Lavie is a cultural anthropologist. She was born in Jaffa to a Yemenite mother and a Lithuanian father. She regards herself as a Mizrahi (Hebrew: "Easterner"), an Arab-Jew.

Lavie specializes in the anthropology of Egypt, Israel and Palestine, with special emphasis on issues of race, gender and religion. She has written a classic, The Poetics of Military Occupation (Univ. of Calif. Press, 1990), on the resistance theatre of the Mzeina Bedouin of the South Sinai in Egypt, whom she has been studying from 1975 to the present. Since 1989 she has been studying the Mizrahim. She co-edited with Ted Swedenburg the oft-quoted Displacement, Diaspora, and Geographies of Identity (Duke Univ. Press, 1996).

Lavie received her doctorate in Anthropology from the University of California at Berkeley in 1989. In 1990, she became an Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory at the University of California, Davis, where she was promoted to an Associate Professorship in 1994. In 1999, for family reasons, she moved back to Israel, and taught at the Anthropology and Women's Studies departments of Beit Berl College.

In 2007-2009, she held the Hubert H. Humphrey Distinguished Visiting Professorship of Islam and the Middle East at Macalester College, St. Paul, Minnesota. Currently (2010), she is an Associate Professor at the Department for Studies in Women and Gender at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville -- see this March 2010 article about her in UVa Today.

While in Israel, Lavie was on the board of directors of Ahoti (Hebrew: "Sistah"), the movement of Israeli feminists of colour, and served on the advisory board of Israel's Women's Parliament. She was one of the Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow representatives in Israel's NGO Coalition Against Racism. With Esther Hertzog she co-founded the Women's NGO Coalition for Mothers and Children.

24.125.41.104 (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I've put in the University of Virginia reference. I don't think that the Cork Palestine Society website is considered a reliable source, so we would need another reference for the later material. Why don't you sign up for an account, so that you can make edits yourself? RolandR (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request 2
Please add the following information after Professor Lavie's education credentials:

Lavie became an Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory at the University of California, Davis, where she was promoted to an Associate Professorship in 1994.

Following verifications are from the discussion page of Lavie in Wiki: http://registrar.ucdavis.edu/ucdwebcatalog99_00/WebCatCrs/gc_ant.htm http://www.math.umanitoba.ca/~lukacs/Smadar_Lavie/Associate_Professor_Step_II.html http://www.math.umanitoba.ca/~lukacs/Smadar_Lavie/Associate_Professor_Step_IV.html http://www.math.umanitoba.ca/~lukacs/Smadar_Lavie/Eligble_Professor_Step_I.html

Please add the following information: In 1999, for family reasons, she moved back to Israel,

Following verification is as follows - please note that email address of author of the text found in this link is Professor Lavie's son http://www.courageouskids.net/stories/s.htm

Please add the following information: and taught at the Anthropology and Women's Studies departments of Beit Berl College.

Following verification is from the discussion page of Lavie in Wiki http://www.math.umanitoba.ca/~lukacs/Smadar_Lavie/Beit_Berl_status.png

Thank you. Please let me know whether you would like information about Professor Lavie's contributions to Anthropology. Thanks.

Renate18 (talk) 23:32, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * We cannot accept private, unpublished correspondence as reliable sources, because they are not verifiable. I'm sorry, but I hope that you appreciate we need to be very careful with biographic information. Facts that are not in the public domain - through their publication - are not appropriate for Wikipedia. See WP:V, WP:RS. Addition of these facts would require their publication in appropriate, independent, third-party references (such as a newspaper article. a book, etc).  Chzz  ►  01:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request 3
Verifiable facts re Professor Lavie's University of California Associate Professorship:

http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/2558.php

http://books.google.com/books?id=7t25kKLwyiMC&pg=PA333&lpg=PA333&dq=smadar+lavie+university+of+california+associate+professor&source=bl&ots=QuaYFv4N76&sig=TDmKi0C94unuJ6m4ZmMXH6Q7ETc&hl=en&ei=R8SuS_rzMIGdlgfMk8yRAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=smadar%20lavie%20university%20of%20california%20associate%20professor&f=false

http://news.clas.virginia.edu/womenstudies/x16078.xml

http://books.google.com/books?id=9R67z2G2kvMC&pg=PA444&lpg=PA444&dq=smadar+lavie+university+of+california+associate+professor&source=bl&ots=BUtw9WeXyB&sig=E2EEd75_OflT-xx36erwvtbUA9A&hl=en&ei=s8SuS8uoGoK0lQeW8KmDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAUQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=smadar%20lavie%20university%20of%20california%20associate%20professor&f=false

http://www.aaanet.org/about/Elections/upload/Middle-East-Section-2.pdf

http://www.suffolk.edu/college/30185.html

Professor Lavie received the 2009 Gloria Anzaldua Prize of the American Studies Association

http://news.clas.virginia.edu/womenstudies/x16080.xml

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123228435/abstract

Renate18 (talk) 03:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What exactly should be done with these sources, and which facts in particular do they support?  fetch  comms  ☛ 03:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request 4
An answer to question re the many independent sources, aboe : One ought to complete the missing parts of Prof. Lavie's biography: 1990-1993 - Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory - University of California, Davis, USA 1994-1999 - Associate Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory - University of California, Davis, USA 2001-2007 - Visiting Associate Professor of Anthropology and Women Studies - Beit Berl College, Israel.

Her UC Davis letters of promotion appearing in her discussion page, and entered by a Math faculty in Manitoba didn't seem to be enough for a Wiki editor, above, so we searched the net and found ample reference supporting her bio as it appears in the PIWP site. We would not dare enter the text ourselves, so please add the missing information. Thank you.

Renate18 (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome. Please don't take Chzz's comments about your sources personally. He correctly points out that those original sources are not acceptable by Wikipedia since they cannot be verified. What you needed to do then was find reliable sources for each fact you want to add to the article and present them with the detailed change, as you did in the original request. Fletchcomm's question should have made that clear. I scanned the sources and found no obvious support for the dates or the institutions. Please detail the changes you wish to make and provide one or more reliable sources which support each change. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 16:23, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request 5
All outside sources submitted yesterday have dates on them - either during the publication date, or as for the American Anthropological Association PDF, exact dates. A national association, the largest of its kind in the world, is a very accurate resource. Text to be added ought to read as follows:

In 1990, she became an Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory at the University of California, Davis, where she was promoted to an Associate Professorship in 1994. In 1999, for family reasons, she moved back to Israel, and taught at the Anthropology and Women's Studies departments of Beit Berl College source (please hit 'page down" until you reach the full abbreviated bio with photo) : http://www.aaanet.org/about/Elections/upload/Middle-East-Section-2.pdf

Renate18 (talk) 17:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Not done: I would think that a candidate statement would be considered a self published source, since there usually is no editorial control over what the candidate chooses to say. Also, if it were a valid source, it would only support your first sentence. Your source says that she was the "Visiting Associate Professor of Anthropology and Women's Studies" at Beit Berl College from 2001 to 2007. It does not speak of her moving back to Israel in 1999 or why she might have left Davis. All of us would enjoy helping you edit this semiprotected article, but you need to do your part first. Please limit your content to that which is supported by the sources and please find reliable sources. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 18:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request 6
Reliable sources have been provided, above. Please explain why google books or u.c. davis roaster is not reliable. Thanks. Renate.

Renate18 (talk) 22:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request 7
see here: http://registrar.ucdavis.edu/ucdwebcatalog99_00/WebCatCrs/gc_ant.htm http://www.antropologica.unisi.it/index.php?title=Smadar_Lavie http://www.cwru.edu/affil/sce/BellagioDec.html http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a912088515&db=all

Renate18 (talk) 22:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Please give specific requests
Regarding all of the above requests, we are unable to proceed if the request is not in a clear, concise format. A request should give the details of a specific change - Please change "XXX" to "YYY", reference ZZZ.

Please format requests in this way.

If there is more than one request, please list them - but ensure that each specific request is clear, and has a reference.

At the moment, we have a collection of suggestions and various references - it is not possible for us to see which requests refer to which references. So, please help us, by making the requests more clear. Many thanks,  Chzz  ►  23:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
Please change this text:

Smadar Lavie is an anthropologist and author. A Mizrahi Jew born and raised in Israel, she received her BA in Social Anthropology from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem in 1980. She received her Ph.D. from the University of California-Berkeley in 1989 (Majors: Sociology and Social Anthropology; Minors: Medieval Islamic Civilization, Musicology) [1]. During academic years 2007-2008 and 2008-2009, she held the Hubert H. Humphrey Distinguished Visiting Professorship at Macalester College. For academic year 2009/10 Lavie is an associate professor visiting the University of Virginia's interdisciplinary Studies in Women and Gender program.[1]

Professor Lavie is a member of the Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow Coalition, of Ahoti for Women in Israel, and of other political, feminist and anti-racist organisations.

To the following text:

Smadar Lavie is a cultural anthropologist. She was born in Jaffa to a Yemenite mother and a Lithuanian father. She regards herself as a Mizrahi (Hebrew: "Easterner"), an Arab-Jew.

Lavie specializes in the anthropology of Egypt, Israel and Palestine, with special emphasis on issues of race, gender and religion. She has written a classic, The Poetics of Military Occupation (Univ. of Calif. Press, 1990), on the resistance theatre of the Mzeina Bedouin of the South Sinai in Egypt, whom she has been studying from 1975 to the present. Since 1989 she has been studying the Mizrahim. She co-edited with Ted Swedenburg the oft-quoted Displacement, Diaspora, and Geographies of Identity (Duke Univ. Press, 1996).

Lavie received her doctorate in Anthropology from the University of California at Berkeley in 1989. In 1990, she became an Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Critical Theory at the University of California, Davis, where she was promoted to an Associate Professorship in 1994. In 1999, for family reasons, she moved back to Israel, and taught at the Anthropology and Women's Studies departments of Beit Berl College.

In 2007-2009, she held the Hubert H. Humphrey Distinguished Visiting Professorship of Islam and the Middle East at Macalester College, St. Paul, Minnesota. Currently (2010), she is an Associate Professor visiting the Department for Studies in Women and Gender at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville.

While in Israel, Lavie was on the board of directors of Ahoti (Hebrew: "Sistah"), the movement of Israeli feminists of colour, and served on the advisory board of Israel's Women's Parliament. She was one of the Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow representatives in Israel's NGO Coalition Against Racism. With Esther Hertzog she co-founded the Women's NGO Coalition for Mothers and Children.

All references have been provided above - from EXTERNAL sources.

Thanks, Renate.

Renate18 (talk) 23:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Please could you tell us which specific references support this specific request, thanks. I do not intend to be difficult, but, it is not possible for us to look through all of those references, and to try and work out which ones support the facts given in the above 5 paragraphs. If different references support different paragraphs, please split the request into parts. All of the facts must be supported by a reference, and we will need to check each one. Please, state your request in the form "Change XXX to YYY ref ZZZ"  Chzz  ►  00:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. Despite the above, I am 'trying to work through the request. Please help me out;

Smadar Lavie is a cultural anthropologist. She was born in Jaffa to a Yemenite mother and a Lithuanian father. She regards herself as a Mizrahi (Hebrew: "Easterner"), an Arab-Jew.


 * Lavie specializes in the anthropology of Egypt, Israel and Palestine
 * Reference?


 * with special emphasis on issues of race, gender and religion.
 * Reference?


 * She has written a classic, The Poetics of Military Occupation (Univ. of Calif. Press, 1990), on the resistance theatre of the Mzeina Bedouin of the South Sinai in Egypt, whom she has been studying from 1975 to the present.
 * Reference?
 * Also, the term 'classic' is non-neutral


 * Since 1989 she has been studying the Mizrahim. She co-edited with Ted Swedenburg the oft-quoted Displacement, Diaspora, and Geographies of Identity (Duke Univ. Press, 1996).
 * Reference?

...etc

 Chzz  ►  04:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. I cancelled out the for now, to stop it alerting us. Please reinstate it when you have supplied references, as described. Thanks,   Chzz  ►  05:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Renate18, 30 March 2010
Thank you. Please note that with your proposed insertions and requests for referencing you ignore the most objective and undisputed fact lacking from this Wiki item - Prof. Lavie was on the faculty of U.C. Davis, first as an assistant, and then associate professor, between 1989-1999. References abound. I do not know how to add referencing to text. I provided you with ample references to the fact that Prof. Lavie was a *tenured* professor at U.C. Davis. Please add it. The rest is not as important as this, and can be read on the pages of PIWP. It's one of the net's best d-bases on the Israel-Palestine conflict. Thanks.

Renate18 (talk) 04:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * We receive lots of requests to edit; we are not able to hunt through references and find out which part refers to which fact.


 * You do not have to do any formatting.


 * Please, simply state: "Change SOMETHING to SOMETHING ELSE, the reference is http://www.SOME-WEB-ADDRESS "

 Chzz  ►  14:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes
SOMEONE IS MESSING YET AGAIN WITH THIS ITEM. SEE MALICIOUS *INCORRECT* EDIT RE THE PROFESSOR'S POSITION IN IRELAND. I HOPE WIKIPEDIA EDITORS PAY ATTENTION TO THIS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OldWivesTales (talk • contribs) 06:32, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

This article is one of a number selected for the early stage of the trial of the Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Pending changes/Queue  are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Pending changes" would be appreciated.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

Please STOP messing around with this Wiki Entry - Prof. Smadar Lavie
Dear Wiki editors, Since this entry about me was put on Wiki I have asked numerous times to remove it. I don't want to appear on Wikipedia. My requests were denied. In 2006 there were many libelous accusations levied against me here. A pro bono attorney found an address to send you a letter. The agreement with you was that you remove all history pertaining to this entry from its beginnings to Sept 2006. For a while there was peace and quiet around this entry. It was locked. Now I see that there are various folks messing with it again, and that the lock has been removed. So for the record: (1) My academic affiliation is with Univ College Cork and with UC Berkeley BBRG. (2) I ask that this item is locked again, after it is being brought again to its form of December 2014, which is correct aside from an update necessary to my Berkeley academic affiliation. (3) Please provide me with a regular, normal address to correspond with you so that we avoid issues of libel. I am thankful for your cooperation on this matter. Prof. Smadar Lavie.