Talk:Small Change (Tom Waits album)

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Artwork
I removed the following and bring it here for discussion:


 * The model posing as a stripper on the album cover is purportedly Cassandra Peterson, who later created the horror host character Elvira, Mistress of the Dark. However, this story is apparently unverified, as Peterson has since described it as "a giant mystery," claiming that while she has no memory of the event, the picture looks enough like her that she feels "pretty sure" that it is.


 * Added link to Elvira's page on WikiPedia. Dreadfullyboring (talk) 02:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

This is nothing but supposition and guesswork. How about we leave it out 'til some facts are actually confirmed? ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 02:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Guesswork or not, this little mystery is part of the history and context of the album. The word "purportedly" tells me it's conjecture. Are you concerned that the average reader doesn't know the word and will believe that the model on the cover is indeed Cassandra Peterson? I don't think Ms. Peterson's reputation is suffering from the rumor. Dreadfullyboring (talk) 02:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Genre: rock or jazz?
We need to have a discussion here about the genre, since it has been changed a number of times recently. Is this album rock or jazz? I would argue that it is rock with a strong jazz influence, but is still a rock album, as all of Waits's albums are. The genre was rock for a long time 'til it was changed by 71.246.73.209 on 10 June 2008‎, with the edit summary, "This album isn't rock just because he's caucasian." Since then, it has been changed several times between jazz, blues, and rock. We need a discussion so that we can reach a consensus. Reliable sources that discuss the genre would help. ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 13:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I certainly wouldn't agree that "all of Waits's albums are [rock]". On most of his post-1983 albums, he has experimented with rock on a few tracks, but I can't think of a single Tom Waits album which is purely rock. Jazz, on the other hand, was the main focus of his early career, and some of his 1970s albums (eg. Nighthawks at the Diner) consist entirely of jazz. On Small Change, Waits is backed by a jazz trio (namely Shelly Manne, Lew Tabackin and Jim Hughart, all of whom are known exclusively as jazz musicians), who are in fact the only musicians on some tracks, as Waits only provides vocals and the string section is absent. The instruments used on Small Change (piano, upright bass, drums, saxophone and strings) are quintessentially "jazzy", whereas I can't understand how an album based predominantly on piano and strings, and with no guitars whatsoever, could be called 'rock'.
 * I've found two reviews that make passing references to the album's genre being jazz, but I don't consider either of them particularly good sources. (1, 2) - Oisín(Message) 19:14, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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