Talk:Small Smiles Dental Centers

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With latest edits by Donald W Meyer, quality initiatives section reads like an ad, and has no references provided.

External link to Small Smiles corporate office and link to US Justice Dept press release has been removed.

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Spanish documents
WhisperToMe (talk) 12:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.smallsmiles.com/promesa.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6BfLt1LE2

Legal entities
http://www.moriarty.com/abusivedentalclinics/Updates/Spotlight_on_Small_Smiles/

This document from a law firm talks about the variois legal entities and the actions of the DeRoses WhisperToMe (talk) 03:26, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

NY Complaint
http://www.casewatch.org/civil/forba/class_action/syracuse_complaint.pdf WhisperToMe (talk) 08:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Letter about Small Smiles in Kentucky
Within the article itself, I don't think info on Hagan's blog/complaints should be expanded unless/until more media sources referencing it appear. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * http://dentistthemenace.com/documents/LtrToKYDentalBoard.pdf shows that she sent this message to State of Kentucky officials
 * If/when news reports discuss her in regards to Small Smiles more specifically and/or in relation to other dental chains, this letter could be useful

On the expose
WhisperToMe (talk) 17:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Tompkins, Al. "Wednesday Edition: Al’s Morning Meeting." The Poynter Institute. November 4, 2007. Updated March 3, 2011.
 * Discusses the filming of Miguel's segment in the WJLA Small Smiles investigation

DeRose North Carolina clinic
Discusses a separate North Carolina clinic owned by the DeRose family and Tish Ballance - After fraud accusations, they paid the USDOJ $10 million to settle Medicaid claims regarding unnecessary work done from 2001 to 2003 WhisperToMe (talk) 06:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Wolf, Jeffrey and Deborah Sherman. "Dentist performed 'unnecessary' work on children and billed taxpayers." 9 News. April 11, 2008.

Media response statement, December 11
WhisperToMe (talk) 00:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.smallsmilesusa.com/PressReleases/MediaResponseStatement_20121211.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6DMIBbXmz

Edits by Thomasjefferson1776
I am going to respond to the edits by and refer to them:
 * Edit #1: "Clarified that the US Dept. of Justice and other actions occurred well after the sale of the original FORABA business, which was not implicated in these actiions." [sic]
 * The various sources make it clear that faced accusations before and after the DeRose sale, and before and/after the changes of business. The fact that the accusations began during the DeRose period and continued right up to the denial of Medicaid supports my wording.
 * Edit #2
 * I blanket-reverted partly because I do not know if the changes made here reflect what is stated in the original sources. Are you reading the sources that are cited? The content must reflect what is said in the various sources. Unfortunately it is difficult to access the documents but if you want I can put in a resource request. I had a HighBeam subscription (what I used to access the sources) but AFAIK it has expired. I can check if it has been re-activated, and if so I can give you all of the sources.
 * Edit #3: "Removed racial references such as "Italian American", Spagetti Eddie, Meatball Mike"
 * It is not problematic to mention ethnic background. The sources cited describe the DeRoses as Italian-Americans and they had these nicknames as children. These nicknames are not considered derogatory by the DeRoses (they had not stated such). Many Wikipedia articles refer to racial and ethnic backgrounds of notable Americans.
 * Edit #4 - Seems to be a redux of edit #2
 * Edit #5: "Italtian American, Spagetti Eddie, and meatball Mike are ethnic racial slurs. The quotation falsely attributes it to Dr. Eddie and Dr. Mike DeRose. It was actually made by Alfred Williams, a Small Smiles dentist some years after the DeRoses sold FORBA"
 * From what I've seen in the articles they are not considered slurs by the townspeople or the DeRoses themselves. As for the quotation, I didn't see a quotation but I notice a removal of this text:
 * "Michael and Edward DeRose said that they used papoose boards so that they could do dental work on larger numbers of children in a more rapid manner. Small Smiles dentists from other states learned the papoose board method in Colorado and began practicing the method in other states." (replaced with the word "defroms") - The statement must be attributed to whoever the newspaper attributes to, unless another source is found. Let's look at the the cited source:
 * "The clinics used to be co-owned by Michael and Edward DeRose of Pueblo, but the father and son sold their stakes in the clinics three years ago. They helped found the clinics and said they used the technique of strapping children to papoose boards while they had dental work to do more work on children faster. The papoose board technique used around the county was taught to dentists training at Small Smiles clinics in Colorado before they went elsewhere across the country. "
 * The content is NOT attributed to West, but to the DeRoses themselves.

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:11, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Restraints and unnecessary work
I was one of the kids involved in the lawsuit. They were suppose to do a bunch of work over the course of 5 appointments, instead they did it all at once which took over 8 hours, I was restrained from my neck to my ankles and I was breathing nitrous the entire time. They pulled 4 teeth, 6 root canals, 3 resin fillings, 4 steel crowns, 2 white steal crowns, 3 of SEAL (SEAL wasn't in the key to tell me what it was). 19 procedures in one appointment. I am 1 of 95 to have more than 16 procedures in one sitting, making me a category 4 and I am one of 6,000 that was in the same class action as me. These are all facts I got from my court papers. I still cry everytime I go to the dentist. Ashparker518 (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm from Schenectady, New York Ashparker518 (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)