Talk:Smash (The Offspring album)

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The article says Killboy Powerhead is their only cover on the album, but that's not true. I can think of at least one other, "Feelings" from Americana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.60.220 (talk) 05:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone has recently added a page for each of the songs on this album. I recommend redirecting most of them back to the album itself, except for the ones that were singles or that have enough information to warrant their own pages. Egpetersen 18:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the links to songs that have either no article or only a limited article and proposed the deletion of the limited song articles. There is no need to have a separate article for each song, as there is very little to say on most of them. There is also no point in a redirect back to the page you started on, therefore the links have been deleted. Nouse4aname 12:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

NOT PUNK
This is NOT a punk album. It's too catchy, it's too poppy, it's not political, its lyrics are too humourous. So leave it as pop punk. Cacodyl (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't agree on this one. If you ask me, nothing on this album can be described as "poppy" and it's a pretty heavy album, so I'd really not put "pop punk" as one of the genres for this one. In addition, there are a lot of society-critical lyrics on this album; plus, the album is rather serious, with little humour (which wouldn't make it a pop punk album anyway). Anrod (talk) 08:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this is punk rock.The Ramones sound catchy,also a bit poppy and aren´t really political and are classified punk rock.In addition, if green day´s albums are classified punk rock here on wikipedia,The Offspring´s definately are,too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D24HULK (talk • contribs) 16:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you should also tag this album as "Grunge." Listen to the guitar tone, and they way Dexter sings. You can clearly hear the distinct Nirvana "Bleach"-era influence. If you need more convincing, listen to "About A Girl" followed directly by "Gotta Get Away." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttrnd22 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

The Offspring is not grunge. They may have grunge influences, yes, but this album is at least 90% punk rock. Allmusic classifies everything as post-grunge, it's meaningless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.56.48.247 (talk) 03:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, The Offspring may not be grunge, but this album certainly contains enough of a grunge influence to be listed as Post-Grunge.


 * Just because this album contains a grunge influence doesn't mean The Offspring is either grunge or post-grunge. They're not even as grunge as Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. Alex (talk) 18:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I fucking know that the Offspring as a whole are not grunge, but this album contains a significant influence of the grunge scene that I believe should be reflected in the Genre. The Clash were a punk band, but on the london calling page the album is listed as "punk rock, reggae, ska" because the album had a strong reggae/ska influence. catch my drift?


 * Smash may have been influenced by grunge, but to me, calling it a grunge album just doesn't make much sense; it doesn't even sound like Alice in Chains, it doesn't even sound like Pearl Jam and it doesn't even sound like Soundgarden. Grunge is about a lot different than what the music on this album sounds like, like for example: if you listen to songs like "Come Out and Play" or "Self Esteem", they sound a bit different than grunge. Alex (talk) 22:47, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Quit being a little bitch. It's obviously post-grunge as well as punk rock. You clearly hear the grunge influence in the vocals and guitar tone.
 * First of all, please remain civil. Secondly, Smash is widely regarded as a punk rock album, however, you need a source to verify it as post-grunge. WIthout such a source, you cannot add this genre to the infobox. Please note that your opinion is not considered a reliable source. Nouse4aname (talk) 11:24, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

This is definitely a grunge album. The fact that the rest of Offspring's body of work is mostly punk doesn't affect the fact that many songs on this album have serious grunge elements.

Make it Pop Punk http://top40.about.com/od/top10lists/tp/punkpop.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.82.62 (talk) 23:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

It should be considered Punk Rock Pop Punk and Alternative Rock Since several songs clearly have an alt rock influence. Only labeling it as Punk is a mistake because it and Dookie are widely credited with popularizing Pop Punk and songs like Self Esteem Clearly have an Alternative Rock and Grunge influence. If it walks talks and sounds like a duck it is in fact a duck http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:difixqwhld6e clearly lists both the Alt Rock and Pop Punk categories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.73.17 (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

It clearly states that clearly on allmusic.com that it is punk rock, post-grunge, alternative rock as well as others. Smash doesn't realy have a pop punk majority on the album, but "Bad Habit" definately has punk and grunge riffs as do "Self Esteem", "Come Out and Play", and "Smash". And if I listed the genres, they would have punk rock, alternative rock, skate punk, and grunge or post-grunge, and allmusic.com has sources to back that up also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.122.131 (talk) 21:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC) Where's Hardcore Punk? This Album contains some of the heaviest riffs I've seen on any punk album Offspring isn't Grunge, Ok, Ok, the album contains some grunge shit but it's 50% punk, 40% Hardcore Punk and 10% Grunge and also why the fuck is Smash Pop-punk? Seriously, why? just cause it sold a lot? there's a lot of punk bands that have sucessful albums and these bands aren't consider Pop, take Bad Religion, for example, they became popular at almost the same time as The Offspring

I'm adding Grunge too. The only genres that fit here are grunge (for example in self esteem) and punk rock (no examples needed I guess) --Revilal90 (talk) 02:23, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
Ok, where has the speedy deletion request come from and why? The page needs a cleanup, not deleting. Far too much unsourced info and is obviously written by fans with no NPOV at all. I'm trying to tidy it up. Have removed the multiple wikilinks that plagued the page before...Nouse4aname 15:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Concept Album?
I do not really think that Smash (or any other Offspring album for that matter) is necessarily a "concept album". I feel that the term is only applied very loosely in this instance. Just because many of the songs are about "violence or destruction of public property" does not mean it is a concept album. Many albums by many bands tend to have a theme that links many/all of the songs, however I doubt that this constitutes a concept album. Nouse4aname 15:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Right - for a concept album, there has to be a strong and clear bind between all of the songs. Anrod (talk) 08:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
Ok, so I am back, again. I'm trying to remove the obvious fan-bias present that has become incorporated into the article. And remove the trivia section by incorporating it into the text. I will post the section below, with my reasoning for what I will do so that trivia can be added back if decided necessary.


 * Smash is the longest studio album by The Offspring. Delete Not really needed


 * Smash is the first and only full length studio album by The Offspring to contain a cover song ("Killboy Powerhead" by The Didjits). Delete Not really needed


 * In the United States, Smash is the The Offspring's last album released on Epitaph Records, although their subsequent release Ixnay on the Hombre, was released in Europe on Epitaph. work in to text


 * Smash was the first Offspring album to chart as well as the first album to have singles to chart. work in to text


 * The first track, "Time to Relax", contains 25 seconds of spoken words and was not featured on the cassette version of the album. Delete not informative


 * Smash is considered to be:
 * the highest selling independent album of all time.
 * the highest selling album released on Epitaph Records. work into text

work in to text delete probably. delete work in to text delete
 * Smash, costing approximately $5,000.00, was the cheapest produced album to reach multi-platinum sales records in the United States.
 * Smash was the first album by The Offspring to have an introduction track ("Time To Relax").
 * There is a hidden instrumental track on the album that became the intro to the song "Change the World" from Ixnay on the Hombre.
 * Smash was the first album by The Offspring to reach platinum (as well as multi-platinum).
 * Smash also contains the longest song by The Offspring ("Smash").

The Skeleton
The skeleton on the cover of "Smash" is used for much of the artwork associated with the album. The use of the skull was meant to display the eventual destruction of mankind.


 * The cover of the singles for "Come Out and Play" and "Self-Esteem" depict a similar skull.

work into the text
 * The skeleton can also be seen on the Smash disc, as well as on the back on the CD case.

I'm being bold, but if anyone disagrees, just add the info back, but try to add it into the text rather than recreating a trivia section. Nouse4aname 09:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

About the highest selling independent album stuff: I think it would be best to reword that part of the article until we find a definitive source. I too have heard that claim from somewhere, but have not been able to find any reliable sources on that. I think it stills needs the "citation need" part in that part of the article though.--SaberBlaze 06:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah I know lots of people (including me) think Smash is The Offspring's best record, but just because there are lots of people considering it to be their best or a highest selling one, whatever, doesn't mean it has anything to do with being in the article. Sources, such as Allmusic.com, don't even say it would be their highest selling one either. 66.53.220.47 20:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I reworked a lot of this page, fixing some of the errors and adding citations. I hope you guys approve.

Cover art
Why is "the" missing from the album cover? Is it only stylistic reasons or is there some significance to that? --Mika1h 19:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really know, on all of the singles from the "Smash" period, the 'The' is missing too. Probably just similar to 'The Prodigy' changing their name to 'Prodigy' for a logo change in the 90's.--Gen. Quon (talk) 02:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

hidden track
I think that the instrumental played just after the end of 'Smash' is from 'Genocide', not from 'Change the world' as written. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.33.124.71 (talk) 11:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

No, It is from Change the World.

It's from both. They used the lead part from "Genocide" as a basis for the riff in "Change the World." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.130.218.90 (talk) 20:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Some useful - but unreferenced - information about the hidden track(s) was removed. It read as follows:
 * Smash ends at 2:52, spoken coda lasts until 3:05, the coda of "Change the World" (itself a slowed-down reprise of the main riff of "Genocide") lasts until 4:10, hidden track "Come Out and Play (Acoustic Reprise)" begins at 9:10
 * It would be useful to restore this if a reliable reference can be found, as it is very misleading to state the length of the last song as 10:42 when it is actually much shorter. --Jameboy (talk) 21:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Best-selling album since Suffer?
It says in this article that Smash had become Epitaph's best-selling album since Bad Religion's Suffer album. Suffer was not only released six years before Smash, but didn't Epitaph actually have any best-selling records released between Suffer and Smash (like anything from Pennywise, Rancid or NOFX)?

For now, I'm going to leave the citation needed tag on that paragraph until someone figures this out. I'm just really confused here. 71.130.209.255 (talk) 16:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

This claim contradicts Bad Religion's official numbers: Against the grain and Generator sold better than Suffer http://www.thebrpage.net/media/item.asp?itemID=530 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.26.142.229 (talk) 16:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Timeline Issue With Bad Religion
Very minor detail, but the article states that Rancid in Bad Religion were offered major label deals due to the success of Smash and Dookie. In fact, Bad Religion signed to Atlantic in 1993, months prior to Smash's release. Epitaph founder and BR guitarist Brett Guerwitz says BR left Epitaph so he could leave their promotion in the hands of others and concentrate on running Epitaph separately. He is also quick to point out the irony that the bands on his indie label like the Offspring got huge while his own band on a major did not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.104.171 (talk) 05:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out. I changed Bad Religion to NOFX and Pennywise because I noticed those bands were aksed to get sign for a major label. OttoBR (talk) 03:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

making the sales of the album only better than its predecessor, Ignition
thats not true, most albums after the release of smash have sold better than ignition. also the source given does not provide any basis for this statement. i suggest this be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.58.205.51 (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Instead of removing that sentence, I'll leave the citation needed tag there for now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.231.21 (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

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Removed comment about Kurt Cobain in opening paragaph
The comment about the album's release coming 3 days after Kurt Cobain's death was written poorly. It is also unclear how the album's release was ironic, or how Cobain's death was even relevant to the discussion of this album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:AE:0:204F:A52F:6EC7:5C53:4EB4 (talk) 15:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

When was this album really recorded?
As of today, this article states that Smash was recorded between October–December 1993 but I am sure that is not the entire truth. First of all, this source states that "The studio [Track Records] also happened to be a few miles from the epicenter of the Northridge Quake, which hit a few days into their recording sessions. The day before the Quake, Holland says, Greg K. was recording his bass lines, but they decided to head out early." The Northridge earthquake hit on January 17, 1994 which means the recording of the album could not have been completed by December 1993. Also, in this source there is the following written about Thom Wilson (the producer): "When he marshaled the Offspring last February for the final recording onslaught on "Smash" [...]". This means that the recording process lasted at least until February 1994. Finally, this source clearly states that Smash was recorded between January–February 1994, which I also think is correct. If anyone can find any reliable sources for the recording dates of October–December 1993, please let me know here. --Kigsz (talk) 10:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, after reading your message, I changed the recording dates from October–December 1993 to January–February 1994 in some of the sentences in this article. 107.218.152.97 (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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