Talk:Smells Like Teen Spirit/Archive 2

Requested move 20 February 2015

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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/ c 20:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Smells Like Teen Spirit → Smells like Teen Spirit – Prepositions containing four letters or fewer should not be capitalized in article titles per MOS:CT. Move log and past talk page discussions bring up very poor points about "official" names. (The name of the song is exactly the same; the difference is the capitalization, and we have guidelines for that.) –Chase (talk / contribs) 05:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree with you in principle, but are you sure that "like" is uneqivocally a preposition in this case? If so, there are a lot of other articles that need correcting.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per MOS:CT (at least unless someone digs up a grammatical rationale for why "like" shouldn't be considered a preposition here). —BarrelProof (talk) 15:54, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The song on YT goes with the capital L and so do all of the sources on Google, Personally I see no reason why it would need to be changed, I have no idea why MOS:CT was ever created as lets be honest it serves to purpose and is a pain in the arse. – Davey 2010 Talk 05:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there any reason to ignore the rules other than the fact that you don't like them? –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose All sources show it with a capital L. Also on all of the Nirvana releases it is spelt with a capital L. Surely as a title of a song it should be with a capital L.QuintusPetillius (talk) 11:17, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Blood on the Dance Floor: HIStory in the Mix and Blood on the Dance Floor (song) spell "on" and "the" with capital letters in their artworks, yet we use standard caps per MoS. Should those also be changed to "Blood On The Dance Floor"? –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose. I don't want another Star Trek Into Darkness debacle. ONR (talk) 18:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - like is a preposition in the title. Because it is a four-letter word preposition, the l should be lowercased per WP:NCCAPS. --George Ho (talk) 07:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. I can see no argument here which suggests that the house style should not take precedence. Arguments about the house style should be taken there. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:55, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose It is a capital L. Per COMMONNAME. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 21:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If the rules make sense, follow them. If the rules fail, change the rules. When you fail to change the rules (Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters/Archive_13), ignore the rules. Time to do that again. Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME Red Slash 21:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose for aesthetic reasons: the lower case 'l' is nearly indistinguishable from the upper case 'I' in some fonts, and the numeral '1' in others. The capital 'L' works better in titles. Binksternet (talk) 21:36, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Anyone who has the time to track down whomever inserted that dumb rule in MOS:CT and prosecute them through ArbCom has my support. --Coolcaesar (talk) 08:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per COMMONNAME. -- Calidum  04:12, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


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i liek nirvana alot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.194.151 (talk) 04:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Composition
The article says that the main progression is F-B♭-A♭-D♭. However, this page does some pretty detailed analysis of the power chords and strongly claims that the first two chords are actually Fm and B♭m, making the progression Fm-B♭m-A♭-D♭. I think the argument for identifying the missing 3rd notes is pretty compelling. I am considering changing the page to reflect this. Thoughts? SeanAhern (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , it's a question of which source is more reliable. The source the article uses, Rikki Rooksby, is from a published a book, while the page you linked is self-published and likely not reliable by Wikipedia standards. What you could do is try finding other reliable sources and see what they say about the chord progression, and if they disagree you could put a Disputed-inline tag on the sentence and discuss it further here. Opencooper (talk) 23:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

What's a mistake?
Iirc already the first chord could be faulty. He didn't mute the fourth in the powerchord correctly so it's a Sus4. This could be a mistake or intention ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.201.11.162 (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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There is a policy discussion in progress at the Manual of Style which affects this page, suggesting that the capitalization of "like" should be removed. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — Llywelyn II   10:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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Naming
Since when was "Nirvana" part of the name of this song? Is there an ambiguity issue that needs to be resolved? --maveric149


 * You are thinking of the Weird Al parody, "Smells Like Nirvana" CoolKatt number 99999


 * There is no ambiguity with "Smells," but there is with other song titles. I'm simply being consistent in my naming.  How would you propose we distinguish Three Dog Night's "Joy to the World" from George Frederic Handel's "Joy to the World"? --the Epopt


 * That really is a disambiguation issue with those two songs, not with teen spirit. --maveric149


 * Okay, you win. Remove the possessive at will. --the Epopt

Parody?
The text of the article implies (unsourced) that the Red Hot Chili Peppers parodied this Nirvana video for their Dani California video... I just watched it (Dani California) on YouTube and DID observed a parody of the /Nirvana Unplugged/ event ...but nothing related to the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video...
 * Yeah, they didn't even play "Smells Like Teen Spirit" at the Unplugged concert. Nevermind the fact that even if they did, it wouldn't be referring to the actual "Smells Like Teen Spirit" music video. Fixed.


 * The Dani California video is reminiscent of the video for In Bloom.


 * I believe the Dani California video is just a 'style parody' of Nirvana in general.

Subliminal mesage
If you reverse the song you get Kurt saying things like: "I hate you" and "Say yes to me" really freaky. I think that should be mentioned in the article (if not). That's why it's hard to understand what he is saying, because this song is actualy two songs. Check it on youtube, search for: Smells like teen spirit lyrics backwards. I can't get the song out of my head it's just playing in reverse!!!

Nevermind song credits
Early in the article I see an attributed [13] statement that "Teen Spirit" is the only song on Nevermind credited to all three band members, but when I later look to releases, I see multiple songs on the album are collaborative. Please clean this up. Ststeve11 (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Cat Piano Smells Like Teen Spirit
A video was uploaded on March 5, 2019 that showed Smells Like Teens Spirit being covered on a cat piano, believed by many to be the best rendition of the song that wasn't by Cobain. The creator Cat Piano Classics has received critical acclaim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joemama2169420 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

US Billboard Singles Sales peak
I know that we are not supposed to be including component charts of the Hot 100, but Smells Like Teen Spirit was number 1 on the Hot Singles Sales chart, which is significant, and which was actually the equivalent chart of pretty much every other country's national charts. It can be sourced from page 78 of the January 25, 1992 issue of Billboard magazine as linked here: QuintusPetillius (talk) 20:31, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Now also coming to the main Billboard website, as per URL: .QuintusPetillius (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe show the lyrics?
Instead of bits and pieces..just post the lyrics to the song.


 * That's a copyright violation. Enjoyer of World (talk) 07:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Origin of the title
This sentence is false: "Hanna meant that Cobain smelled like the deodorant Teen Spirit, which his then-girlfriend Tobi Vail wore."

See this interview for the correct story:

https://www.abc.net.au/doublej/music-reads/features/kathleen-hanna-on-how-she-named-smells-like-teen-spirit/10269194 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8004:2728:AAF:58BA:6387:8B17:C748 (talk) 16:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've added it. Enjoyer of World (talk) 07:55, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Patti Smith cover
Shouldn’t the cover of Patti Smith (on YouTube with ID M_ciiCyxOJA) be mentioned among covers? It seems like one of the most creative ones. Ceplm (talk) 19:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Kurt's Journals
I'm surprised that this article fails to mention pages 135-137 of Kurt's published journals, which make it blatantly clear that the original words included themes of anti-segregation and encouraged planning an assasination of the Ku Klux Klan. 174.230.202.225 (talk) 16:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

2021 weekly chart peaks for "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
The "Weekly chart" section currently shows the song charting in 2021? Huh? Was there a re-release, or some other event causing it to chart? The "reference" is not particularly informative, and I am skeptical. CAVincent (talk) 22:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, same for its appearance on the annual charts in 2021. CAVincent (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

In 2021 the Marvel movie "Black Widow" used the song for a theme. I guess that's why it's on here Marvelfaniguess (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2023 (UTC)